Re this recent child abuse case, can we have just *ONE* thread for competitive sadding please?

[solidgoldbrass]

Yes it's awful
Etc.
But we don't need a McCann-esque thread frenzy all saying the same thing.

SGB, your posts are just awful and depressing.

SGP - "Working out something useful you might do is more of one. WHy not try it? "

So what have you actually done to try to prevent tragedys like this from happening again? Many people on the thread about baby P have written to their MPs about the need for changes in the child protection system. There has been discussion about the institutional problems in Haringey which allowed this and the Climbie case to happen there. Lessons were clearly not learned the last time, despite the promises and people have tried to work out why this is the case.

Others on the thread have donated money to children's charities. What have you done, apart from starting a thread to bitch about it?

'Having feelings is no achievement' - I think to have feelings and empathy for others is one of the greatest achievements a human being can attain.

To be able to do something positive with those feelings is fantastic.

The hundreds of 'strangers' who contacted me after my 7 year old son was crushed to death under the wheels of a lorry in 1992 showed the greatest empathy and feelings. The strangers who left meals on my doorstep, left bread and milk, left flowers, left cards - and CRIED for my son and my family - yes STRANGERS who had only read our story in the newspaper or heard it on the local news.

Thank God for strangers because they, along with family, dragged us through those awful years.

....and please believe me when I say dont think I am looking for empathy or attention - I belong to a very special MN thread - a thread for bereaved mums - where we regularly have a cry and also know how to laugh.

SGB is walking a very thin line, dont you think girls.

Lets just hope she has no need for the love and support MN can provide in times of absolute personal hell!

shabster - you certainly have all the sympathy from this stranger, i do not need to ever meet you to feel so very sad for you.

Ta love - watch out you were an emotional human being there

Greensleeves i dont undrstand your post

I don't like all the threads about the poor little lad.
but i do understand why people are upset. you would have to be made of stone not to be.
but do we need countlee threads all banging on about what people would have done. it reminds me of when thos 2 boys died on a motorway. people were saying i would have done this or that!! bizare.
to post to say something is sad or to offer your support is onething, but to make it a big drama in your life is just odd imo.
To compare these threads to 11/11 is also weird.
that is a day we say thankyou

Ooh, a new word - "emotionalness".

Fuckwit.

Look, just because some people think there should be one thread for one news story, it doesn't mean they are emotionless, evil beings with no concept that we live in a world where sometimes people are evil or sometimes things go horrbly wrong when services that protect children from evil don't manage to do so. Nobdoy could be unmoved by the story, of course they couldn't - but it doesn't mean that they need to see thread after thread saying how sad people are: one thread would be enough to do that so there is no need for other threads doing the same.

It isn't even about competitive sadding or whatever you choose to call it; it just isn't needed because each new thread that another person starts to how sad people may be doesn't actually add anything, so why not use the same thread?

Whilst I agree with you - I think that the earlier statement 'having feelings is no great achievment,' has got everybodys 'goat.' I also think that the original post was in poor taste.

The whole thread is almost identical to a somewhat nastier thread started by Cod...the thread rattled on for page after page with everyone agreeing with her. Then one post disagreed and all hell let loose.

I still say if several threads start just ignore them if you dont want to be involved.

'Having feelings is no achievement' . i think you'll find that the mother, boyfrined and lodger were somewhat lacking in that department.
Sensitivity to the pain of others is valuable and that's why this hurts most of us so much.

If the same person is starting these threads then I agree it is pointless starting several threads about one topic.

However we are all entitled to our opinions and are able to start threads about any topic at any time.

I have ignored all the press with reference to Baby P as it simply makes me feel sick, if you dont want to read or look, then dont, same goes for MN.

BTW where do I sign up for the competitive sadding competition, I believe I have a good case and plenty of friends to vote. I believe Ant and Dec are hosting

If this thread was really about not having any more threads about the subject then it really hasn't worked very well has it ?

I have actually avoided all the others as the whole thing upset me so much but this one has drawn me in .

[wry smile] @ competitive sadding

sgb

I was happy as I said earlier to support you in your one subject one thread campaign

but since then you have let this thread denegerate into a pit of despair and hurt for a lot of people

Like shabster said earlier .. thank god for the kindness of strangers.... I am not as brave as her and wont share my story with someone who calls me a bucket head or says i soil myself

but suffice to say if a complete stranger hadnt come on to mumsnet and told me about her little Girl I wouldnt have met all the lovely ladies who offer me such support

frasersmammy - Im glad you are part of our sympathetic and loyal bereaved mums thread.....I knew what you meant with your first post

by solidgoldbrass:

"some people genuinely feel that members of (insert name of any ethnic/religious/social gfroup here)are inferior".

And you would be one of those wouldn't you SGB? given that you regularly call religious people ( as well as other groups of society) offensive names and mock their beliefs. I would post the relevant links but I simply can't be bothered - regular posters will know which threads I refer to, as do you. And you are doing it now, aren't you? such an irony.

I'd like to hear an answer to shabster's comments, or the one about Armistice day.

this is in very bad taste.

sorry, i usually have the greatest respect for your posts and find you an interesting poster sgb but this is actually just poor...

pottycock is not me, sg, just in xase you were wondering. i do know what you mean by competitive sadding, though. strikes me as ghoulish.

btw i've never noticed sgb being racist. are you sure you're not getting her mixed up with ucm, donnie?

I agree with Shabster:

"Having feelings is no achievement' - I think to have feelings and empathy for others is one of the greatest achievements a human being can attain. To be able to do something positive with those feelings is fantastic."

I have seen first hand the kindness of strangers and I simply do not believe their kindness is about them or "public posturing". I think it is about empathy and a desire to help in some way. I think I understand what you are trying to say about very public sharing of feelings but I don't think it is as black and white as you make it out to be. And just because you don't feel that way doesn't make it right anyway. There is no rulebook. I actually think your posts sbb show a marked lack of empathy and understanding about the power of human kindness. And calling people "bucketheads" actually won't help your cause either.

imo 'COMPETITIVE SADDING' implies faked emotion

this is not so

Donnie, disagreeing with people's beliefs is not racist any more than disagreeing with their opinions is (and we can go off into the differning semantics of 'opinion' and 'belief' if you like). Racism involves judging a group of people as inferior/other due to a fact about them over which they have no choice and no control.