Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
News

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Original poster

The poor 17 month old -died of broken back

505 replies

skydancer1 · 11/11/2008 14:59

I just find these kind of stories of extreme abuse so very upsetting and wish we had better safeguards in place to stop such hideous harm happening or at least continuing (when it's pretty obvious!) to helpless children. Why on earth did the doctor not examine a child because he was already on an at risk register and was 'cranky and miserable' at an appointment and hence he/she failed to notice broken back and ribs? It beggars belief. I'm not a punitive 'hang them flog them' type (in fact I'm strongly against corporal punishment) but in this instance I think the mother should be forcibly sterilised to prevent her ever hurting or 'allowing' such hurt to any other child.

OP posts:
rowe · 17/11/2008 11:12

no sorry ds2 helping fix the tv !!!! ment clever ...

Aitch · 17/11/2008 11:20

and yet people were offended by the term 'competitive sadding'? now we've got a poster taunting another to think of worse ways to torture someone? gateau you are out of control, you ARE enjoying this on some level.

mabanana · 17/11/2008 11:23

OK, unlike others, I have no problem with people saying how sad they are, or that there were crying or anything else. But I seriously think Gateau should now feck off this thread and her post reported as this is repulsive.

BabyBaby123 · 17/11/2008 11:24

they won't need torturing. The prisoners will do it for you. She's in Holloway and the other mothers in there will not take too kindly to what she's done...

And the men. Well, I can't see the prison officers wherever they are jumping to their defence.

Lets just hope they don't get put in solitary.

Gateau · 17/11/2008 11:24

Aitch, don't you get tongue in cheek? Get a life. So predictable. I just knew you would be the first to jump at that one.

Aitch · 17/11/2008 11:27

don't you get that tongue in cheek isn't really appropriate? agree with mabanana.

conniedescending · 17/11/2008 11:29

I objected to the term competitive sadding and actually, I still do. I also objected to the 'lets have one thread' thing

but.........gateau is almost making me change my mind somewhat - agree with mabanan and this kind of gruesome posting should ne stopped.

Gateau · 17/11/2008 11:32

How ironic. You lot are so harsh with your stance on "gruesome" posting, ie other people's opinions, but you are so softly softly in how the evil monsters in society should be dealt with.

SH27 · 17/11/2008 11:34

Gateau, I am the same as you and can't get this story out of my mind. I have a son who is roughly the same age and just can't bear to think of him going through what poor little Baby P did. I just wish I had not read half the things I did in the damn Sun newspaper!

mamadiva · 17/11/2008 11:35

Connie- All I meant was thatpersonally I'd leave it up to the family what they do, although I did say I used to think...I think I did anyway.

Now I think something needs to be done so that in soe way these people are not draining our society, get them doing something worthwhile that nthey wont enjoy, sweatshops in prisons it may not be right but atleast that way they are doing something, get them making clothes, or anything else to make them work for usIYKWIM.

I hardly think thats barbaric but I just dont agree with the way prisons are these days and I know that LO may have ended up the same but he should have atleast had the chance to put things right with his life, he never did.

conniedescending · 17/11/2008 11:38

I am shocked and sickened by what has happened in this case but also shocked and sickened that other forum members have proudly professed that they could inflict the same kind of pain on another human being.

violence fuels violence

BabyBaby123 · 17/11/2008 11:41

they are not human - they are beasts. Are you seriously saying that if it was your child that had been tortured and abused to death you would not want to inflict pain on the people who did it?

mamadiva · 17/11/2008 11:42

Also in reply to Gateau mayeb try focusing on doing something positive rather ythan dwelling.

I was really upset but decided to focus on what can be done about it happening again rather than what wasnt done before, theres nothing we can do now my son is 3 months youger than Peter and it breaks my heart to think of it, but at the end of the day as horribe as it sounds we cant do anything more for him.

I have written emails to 3 MP's about the way prison sentences are handled, I want a public iunquiry into the failings of the system and the way that the SS are portrayed in the news.

I know that SS failed momentously on this occassion but the work load they are uinder and the fact that only the owrst cases are picked up on by the media it may not make for 'interesting reading' or whatever the media like to call it but there are probably far more cases where they ahve worked their arses of night and day and got a child from there home safely and they are now happily living with their adoptive family successfully undergoing counselling, when was the last time we read one of these?

Never because society focuses on the shortfailing when we should be looking equally at both failing and successes.

conniedescending · 17/11/2008 11:43

but this is not 'your child' or 'my child'

BabyBaby123 · 17/11/2008 11:44

so what? makes no difference - still a child - a child who's own mother failed to protect him and joined in with his killing

Mercy · 17/11/2008 11:45

But some people here are talking about inflicting pain on a person who has nothing to do with them or their dc.

SH27 · 17/11/2008 11:46

Conniedescending, If someone inflicted the horrific torture and pain Baby P went through on my son, I would totally do the same to them!! I am not a violent person but I would absolutely do what it takes to protect my child!!

Prison is too good for these people and we should bring back the death penalty for child killers and paedophiles!

BabyBaby123 · 17/11/2008 11:46

Mercy, it makes no difference to me that I never met that child. No difference at all. Why would it?

SH27 · 17/11/2008 11:48

No it's no 'my' child or 'our' child, but if they can do this horrific act on their own flesh and blood/someone they are meant to be caring for, they could do it on someone they have no connection with.

They need to be removed from society permanently.

Mercy · 17/11/2008 11:49

If you are really so affected by this case that you are happy to commit violence then I think you need counselling.

mamadiva · 17/11/2008 11:50

Connie I think what she means is though that perhaops we need a radical rethink on how we deal with these 'people' but TBH there is no way that ever portrays justice really is there?

Killing someone will always mean someone elses tragedy therefore it will just go round in one big vicous circle.

That thing and all the others out there will get what they desrve inside and when they get out they will probably be provided with new ID's etc (that I dont agree with) but they will always be looking over their shoulders never trusting anyone for the rest of their lives, I'm pretty sure their famillie wont want anything to do with them and when they are old and needing support they will realise the true extent of their actions because I sure as hell that she will never have their kids siblings to help them out!

Im sorry but even unconditional love has its bounds, any family would disown anyone for this sort of 'behaviour'

BabyBaby123 · 17/11/2008 11:52

ok, will bear that in mind

mamadiva · 17/11/2008 11:57

Thing is thoug although I am being logical and saying vicous circle blah de blah I actually think if I were to come face to face I would well like most of us... (even if we wont admit it) attack the scum.

IMO its human instinct to hurt those who have hurt us or a vunerable member of our society.

Id love to say no no Id be all calm and collected but I honestly cant say for sure I would, obviously there is the chance I wouldn't but still.

I know where your coming from Baby

MNHQ
GeraldineMumsnet · 17/11/2008 12:43

Hi, we're going to keep all Baby P posts in one thread from now on. If you'd like to discuss this subject, then please can you use this thread Thanks very much.

IhaveaSONcalledJesse · 17/11/2008 13:11

I have an 18mth old son, and I couldn't stop myself reading about this little boy.
I sobbed and sobbed.
I know exactly what effect those things would have had on his little body, because I hold one just like it every day.

I think two things need to be addressed.
A) Heads need to roll.. I work for a government agency (Not SS) When our stats are good, it's because were working to make our stats look good - not doing our jobs. When our stats are poor it's because were properly doing our jobs, not concentrationg on stats. THEN we get a new chief appointed to "turn us around" because we're failing on our stats...
If SS have got 3 stars or whatever, you can bet it's because they're concentrating on figures and not their jobs.

B) When did we start living in a society when people can continually get away with this sort of thing? This isn't just about SS letting a child down. In the first instance the mother let this child down, in the second it's father did. All the adults living in that house let that child down. The justice system in this country let that child down. Now it needs to address that. I've never been sure about the death penalty, because I've always felt it's too quick a punishment. IYSWIM?
I think in this case those people should be made to live the way they made that baby live. It should be a long and drawn out punishment. It should not be in a prison that has more perks than most law abiding people can afford. NO CIVIL RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE WHO TAKE AWAY THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF OTHERS.