The poor 17 month old -died of broken back

[skydancer1]

I just find these kind of stories of extreme abuse so very upsetting and wish we had better safeguards in place to stop such hideous harm happening or at least continuing (when it's pretty obvious!) to helpless children. Why on earth did the doctor not examine a child because he was already on an at risk register and was 'cranky and miserable' at an appointment and hence he/she failed to notice broken back and ribs? It beggars belief. I'm not a punitive 'hang them flog them' type (in fact I'm strongly against corporal punishment) but in this instance I think the mother should be forcibly sterilised to prevent her ever hurting or 'allowing' such hurt to any other child.

Yes, this story is sad.

But I honestly don't know how it could have been prevented.

The fact of the matter is that the boy's biological father saw him a few days before he died, so if there were pre existing injuries, it wasn't apparent.

Connnie, people,like you make me sick...

i don't believe in naughty steps, actually. i'm just trying to point out that talking about torture is about revenge, and revenge creates more monsters, not fewer.

personally i'd sling these people in prison for a very long time and get them psychiatric attention cos they must need it badly.

Sorry but LOL at naughty step

The way I've always thought the best way to get rid of these people would be to ut them in a room with the family and let themn do what they want to them. Fair is fair and all.

There are ups and downs in all scenarios whether its jail sentence, death penalty, slavery whatever someone will always object.

lol. yes, slavery was admittedly very popular with the chattering classes there for a while.

what kind of torture do you have in mind for me then gateau?

Society would be better off rid of these people. Then we'd all be better off, not worse. Don't waste any more public money on them.

good god mamadiva - and you want to be a social worker

Thing is though Aitch costs us alot of money to keep these buggers with their SKY TV and Playstations etc costs us a fortune in electricity and god the Domino's pizza bill must be huge whenever they fancy one!

Prison service is a disgrace but then which public service is'nt nowadays.

I honestly don't think these people are fit to be released certainly not in a maximum of 14 years.

That 'mother' will be what 41? Alot of use that is.

Yes Connie but this what I am saying in my previous job I dealt with child abuse although nowhere near this exgent but I have t work through all that, but this is why I am also looking down the route of counselling o try and help people who have been through it not turn into an abuser themselves.

My DAD was seriously abusedad and neglected he has never once raised a finger to us, and he always asaid its because he wouldnt want us to feel a shred of the unnhappiness he did.

So I think that excuse is a lot of bollocks. You have the choice you do learn right from wrong as you grow.

i'd spend the money on these particular buggers, mamdiva, and i'd not want them playing games. but we have a massive prison population, far more than other euro countries. the prison service catches the casualties from all the other social services, tbh that wee boy, with his background, would probably have ended up there had he not died. we have to look at EVERYTHING here, everything about how we interact. but we won't.

Bring back hanging for these monsters, I would happily volunteer to pull the lever.

I just can't get over this case and cry every time I see that poor little boy and read about what he went through.

Had the misfortune of flicking through a copy of the Sun, and can't believe the way they have to list the graphic details of what this poor child went through. It is so unnecessary, other papers/websites don't do it.

its not an excuse its a reason

part of being a social worker is to have a non-judgmental, empathic approach to the whole situation - not something you seem to be displaying with your idea of letting the family do what they want with the abuser although how that would work when the family is often the abuser I'm unsure - perhaps you could clarify?

I've worked with families who have been known to SS for years and generation after generation appear over and over again.

Totally with you, SH27, but as I said before, hanging's too good for them.It's too quick.
Can anyone suggest any ways of getting this horrific story out their minds? Have tried thinking of trivial things and all things good in life, but it just doesn't work.

perhaps not focusing on 101 ways to torture the perpetrators would be a good start gateau?

Yes, exactly. Feverishly planning pointless and impossible acts of revenge just feeds the feelings.

quite, cd.

At least when I'm thinking of a billion ways to end their scummy lives, I'm not thinking about the baby. So yes, that helps.

i have read this story in a paper this morning of a 15yr old who was too scared to do eny thing to help the little boy or say any thing and i feel so sorry for her as she is just a child her self and has to live with this on her mind for the rest of her life .But then i think hang on all it took was a anomnous leter or phone call . Its shocking that ss didnt think he needed help and she(the suposed mother )(she doesn't deserve the title ) could cover his injerys with a chocolate buiscuite .and yes i would be the one to deal the first blow to any one who had tourcherd a child in this was no mater how big and cleaver they think they are.

mmj I know it is tempting, but norty, norty.

gateau, not it doesn't help, and you know it. You are thinking about the case all the time, getting your adrenaline levels up and getting yourself deliberately agitated. Anger is addictive and seductive and enjoyable like that, yet completely pointless. You aren't going to lay a finger on them, and you know it, so fantasising about it is pointless at best and stupid and harmful at worst.

You're on the right tracks there, mild mannered. Come on, some more, please..