Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must house more migrants after leafy village revolts over 1,250 asylum seekers

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Andy Burnham just doesn't get it does he, we don't want anymore migrants/illegals put anywhere not in rich or poor areas we want to stop them coming here full stop.

Where are your stats on rape by different national origins please?

Ukrainians were offered temporary sanctuary with time limited visas, with the expectation that they return home when safe to do so. The visas were not designed to offer permanent residence in the UK and time spent under the scheme does not count towards indefinite leave to remain. Ukrainians were required to prove their identity before entering the country, certainly in the vast majority of cases. Also, how many hosts agreed to take in young, male Ukrainians rather than women and children?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/19/lammy-to-fight-to-cover-up-crimes-of-foreign-offenders/

I came across this the other day.

https://archive.ph/QqLJo - Some data from Germany. A country not dissimilar to the UK. There is also UK data out there if you look - but it isn't so clearly presented. For obvious reasons.

Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable
A pattern of criminality is shattering taboos

>>The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page. Berlin’s police chief delivered the upshot: “Bluntly stated, our numbers show that violence in Berlin is young, male, and has a non-German background.” What is straining German law enforcement (and society) is the sheer number of young male asylum-seekers. Germany famously relaxed its border controls in 2015-2016, permitting an influx of some 1.3 million people from countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey.

Then as now, about 70 per cent of asylum-seekers were male and most are under 35 years old.Current numbers are off this peak but still high: in 2023, 351,000 asylum-seekers entered Germany, more than the population of Germany’s former capital Bonn. Most of these men have no German skills, little education (a 2016 study revealed only 34 per cent could read the Latin alphabet), no experience with alcohol, and no experience interacting with women not related to them.

'In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.”

What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

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I asked Gemini if this piece was propaganda. Gave me:

Persuasive & Rhetorical Tactics Used

• Selective Framing (Cherry-Picking): The piece builds its case using real, underlying data—such as official police statistics (Polizeiliche Kriminalstatistik)—but presents only facts that support a single narrative. It Omits crucial statistical context, such as the fact that the primary demographic driving high crime rates globally is young males (under 30), regardless of nationality or background.
• Loaded Language: Phrase choices like "shattering taboos," "mind-numbing (or mind-boggling)," and "acknowledging the unspeakable" are designed to elicit strong emotional responses (shock, fear, outrage) rather than offer a neutral analytical breakdown.
• Broad Generalizations: Assertions about literacy, cultural norms, and experiences with alcohol/women paint an entire group of over a million people with a single, sweeping brush. While based on specific isolated studies, applying them universally serves to create a sharp "us vs. them" distinction.
• Sensational Exaggeration: Framing an internal police data leak or standard crime reports as a secret truth "shattering taboos" leverages a common persuasive trope: presenting mainstream opinion pieces as forbidden knowledge that "the establishment" is trying to hide.

Conclusion If propaganda to you means outright lies fabricated by a government, then no—the figures broadly mirror official reports or published surveys. However, if you define propaganda as a heavily biased narrative that selectively presents real facts out of context to evoke fear and push a specific anti-immigration viewpoint, then yes, it fits that description. It functions as persuasive political advocacy rather than objective reporting.

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Well that doesn’t sound good.

Waiting to get it approved I heard a few hours ago.

@Mugsey62 Well you can accept reality or not. totally up to you of course.

Really? You must only go on the “what top should I buy” threads

Ha, no, mostly sex threads as it happens. Rarely politics. I am very interested in politics but I found that arguing about it on SM was particularly pointless and not good for stress levels. I have had to stop myself going on FB for this reason. This thread came up in my emails so I got involved.

Your reality is based on misinformation and hysteria.

This is such a gift to Labour. Burnham should capitalise on views like this. Ik you avoid the DM and Telegraph, are you more The Guardian, BlueSky and BBC?

He should look into areas with high consumption of that media for housing and barracks.

The Guardian yes, blue sky not yet, bbc is biased af, far to right wing.

If you don’t see how biased the Guardian is then it must be because it fits your personal worldview. All these outlets are biased af just in different directions

Thanks for narrowing down, perhaps just The Guardian then.

He should try those areas and he might not get any protests or votes against.

The Guardian is the least biased which is why I read it, it always offers alternative viewpoints. The telegraph is pure propaganda.

Could areas which voted for brexit pay higher taxes to compensate areas who voted remain for the loss of eu membership benefits?

Wouldn’t you need something equally enriching?

As you say asylum housing or barracks nearby is a positive.

Neither positive noir negative. It doesn't bother me. Why should it? What evidence do you have that crime rates increase in the localities where asylum seekers live?

Gemini agrees with me:

AI Overview

Research shows no broad link between asylum seekers living in an area and an increase in violent crime. Some economic and demographic studies note minor correlations with specific non-violent offenses like property crime, but overall data shows that crime is largely driven by local socioeconomic and demographic factors rather than the presence of asylum seekers.
Key Research Findings
Violent Crime: Independent studies from organizations like the Migration Observatory indicate no statistical link between an increasing share of refugees or asylum seekers and higher rates of violent personal crime.
Property Crime: Certain analyses suggest a very small statistical correlation between high concentrations of asylum seekers in specific neighborhoods and slight increases in local property crime. Experts attribute this largely to poverty, lack of legal work rights, and underlying socioeconomic disadvantage rather than cultural factors.
Demographics: Higher proportions of young men—a demographic universally associated with a higher statistical likelihood of minor offending—exist within many asylum seeker populations, skewing raw comparisons unless adjusted for age and background.
Context and Data Limitations
Official Data Gaps: Governments (including the UK) do not routinely publish granular, localized crime statistics tracked specifically by immigration or asylum status, making direct empirical comparisons difficult.
Local Factors: Research from institutions like the London School of Economics shows that neighborhood crime levels are overwhelmingly tied to local deprivation, employment levels, and policing strategies rather than the arrival of foreign nationals.

BBC right wing. Thanks for a good laugh!

I’m not trying to dissuade you from welcoming people, the opposite I think you should do that.

It makes sense for Burnham to approach those areas first, try high Guardian readership levels. He might not get so many protesting.

Arguments for Right-Wing or Establishment Bias
Critics who argue that the BBC leans to the right or favors the status quo point to several systemic tendencies in its coverage: 1, 2, 3]

• Economic framing: Reporting often prioritizes orthodox fiscal discipline and government framing over the human costs of policies like austerity. 1]
• Institutional voices: News segments and expert panels frequently feature corporate figures, stockbrokers, and establishment perspectives rather than labor or grassroots viewpoints. [, 2]
• Political pressure: Observers argue that continuous targeting by right-wing newspapers and politicians causes the broadcaster to overcorrect or yield to political power out of self-preservation. 1, 2]
• Platforming populist voices: Critics on the left claim the BBC sometimes gives disproportionate airtime to right-wing populist figures and narratives, particularly around immigration, European integration, and nationalist movements. [, 2]

The BBC faces ongoing accusations from advocacy groups like Republic of holding an institutional pro-monarchy bias, routinely drawing hundreds of complaints for celebratory coverage during major events like coronations and documentaries, while the broadcaster maintains its reporting is fair, accurate, and impartial. 1, 2, 3, 4]

Arguments and Criticisms

• Deferential Tone: Critics argue the broadcaster adopts an uncritical, celebratory stance that mirrors palace messaging rather than applying objective journalistic scrutiny. []
• Marginalizing Dissent: Anti-monarchy campaigners claim that republican viewpoints and alternative constitutional models receive minimal airtime compared to royal events. [,
• Volume of Complaints: High-profile broadcasts, such as documentaries tracking the early reign of King Charles III, have regularly triggered coordinated complaints over perceived favoritism. []

Accusations of Pro-Israel and Anti-Palestinian Bias

• Pro-Palestinian and Media Monitoring Critique: Conversely, studies by organizations such as the Centre for Media Monitoring (CfMM) and data analyses by groups like NewsCord assert that the BBC systematically downplays Palestinian suffering, omits vital historical and legal context regarding the occupation of Gaza, and frequently utilizes the passive voice or qualifying phrases (such as "Hamas-run health ministry") when reporting on Palestinian civilian casualties. 1, ]
• Asymmetry Claims: These critics argue that emotive language, individual human-interest framing, and terms like "murder" or "massacre" are disproportionately applied to Israeli casualties compared to Palestinian deaths. []

As with different tax rates for Brexiters and Remainers, I can see a few logistical problems with this plan.

I am from a city, I have always lived in cities. People in cities are far less stranger averse than people in the country, or even the suburbs. The next asylum seeker I see is a potential new friend. I wouldn't know what they would look like anyway. How do you know which people are asylum seekers and which are not?