Why are Jewish people facing persecution in the UK?

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I don’t understand why Jewish people are being persecuted in this country. What is wrong with people?

Well many are critical of aspects of Israel/the government but the vast majority support Israel's existence and would be against the destruction of Israel as the Jewish state and the ethnic cleansing/genocide of its Jewish inhabitants.

Is that license to attack them?

Is there a word for being against the existence of any other country, and is that stance license to attack those with ethnic ties to it?

Really? Please enlighten us with a lucid explanation. This is a discussion forum. You can surely consider someone else's point of view without your own being compromised.

Nobody is saying Isreal shouldn't exist but more that they need to stop bombing other counties.

Sorry, are you saying that being supportive of Israel justifies hate and violence against that person?

Because that's disgusting and also behaving like that is illegal.

That's literally what 'antizionist' means though? And is the basis of all the hostility toward 'Zionists'?

And every country that has made peace with Israel has stayed at peace. Israel has not instigated any attack, just defended against hostile attackers. Why not focus efforts on telling other countries not to bomb Israel - then there's no need for them to fight back.

And here's the prejudice.

Presenting it like this makes it sound like Israel just woke up one day and had nothing better to do so decided to engage in bombing for the sheer badness of it.

When in reality Hamas deliberately started a war it had spent probably decades planning for. And the war is not Gaza vs Israel but a conglomeration of Middle East countries (Iran) and terrorist organisations who have embedded themselves in other states who are all dedicated to the total destruction of the nation of Israel.

Here's the thing, if all those ME terrorists players decided to stop lobbing rockets at Israel, murdering its citizens and talking about how they wanted to destroy Israel, but instead decided to live at peace with their neighbour nation, then Israel would not have to defend its citizens from those with genuine genocidal intent with defensive, retaliatory wars.

This is no level of debate.

Israel needs to stop bombing other countries. No mention of other countries bombing them? Should they just carry on?

Do you think they need to stop bombing other countries so that radicalized mentally ill jihadis can stop attacking unrelated people in another country?

What? What's your actual point? What's the legitimate link?

Even if you disagree that Israels wars are just, whats the justifiable link between IDF actions and a 70 year old Jewish Brit waiting for a bus?

You appeared to agree with the view that British Jews are being targeted because “Israel shouldn’t have gone unchecked for so long”.

British Jews are not responsible for what happens in Israel.

It is deeply antisemitic to conflate and try to justify what is happening to British Jews with what is happening in Israel.

Is that lucid enough for you?

So every single Jewish person in the UK supports every single thing to Israeli government does and that somehow justifies attacking them? What about the children who need security at their schools, are they all "supportive if Israel"?

Lots of people say Israel shoudln't exist actually.

Usually those using 'Zionist' as a slur.

It was one of the ideas / possible explanations put forward by a PP.

Of course they are not. Nobody is suggesting this.

This is not justification - people on here are trying to find clarity.

No, try again.

A whole post of blaming Jews for the persecution of Jews.

My mind is literally boiling and I'm not even Jewish.

The issue is - not all Jews agree with the Israeli government. Not all Jews work in finance/banking. It’s a stereotype - a reason behind a lot of racism.

No that's really not the issue. Even if every single Jewish person was a Netanyahu-loving banker it wouldn't justify antisemitism.

I won’t even get started with the whole Epstein connection. It’s a rabbit hole that I refuse to even go down.

So why the fuck would you even bring it up?

You quite clearly are picking a side in post full of racist stereotypes and blaming one side for the conflict.

Thing is. When Muslims were launching terrorist attacks in the UK in the Islamic state days, and law abiding Muslims were subject to racism due to this, absolutely no-one on the left was having solemn debates about why Muslims were being subject to racism. Instead they unequivocably condemned the racism Muslims were facing. If anyone did try to ask that question, they would have had their arse handed to them on a plate and told they were racist.

But suddenly, now Jews are getting a much more severe and deadly level of racism that Muslims never faced during the IS terrorism days, suddenly people are the left are ' just trying to find an explanation' for this, just ' looking for clarity'.

Pull the other one, mate. No-one with half a brain really believes you lot are ' 'just asking the question' , ' just seeking an explanation'.

Even without the comparison to how people reacted to racism against muslims, it would be clear you were motivated by something other than mere intellectual curiousity, but with that comparison its blindingly obvious its an anti-Semitic based belief that Jews are somehow deserving this and culpable and the murderers are somehow justified in their rage, that is fueling you ' just asking the question, just seeking an explanation.'.

@Muffinmam Your post is a cesspit of anti-Semitic tropes.

I was commenting on the Middle East, in response to someone who remarked that the Islamic character of the Middle East is due to Arab imperialism, so why the double standard regarding Israeli imperialism?

I am aware of the threat that Islamist groups pose to Christian communities in certain parts of Africa. But what’s your point? Because Boko Haram is terrorising rural Nigeria, that means Israel can kill 20,000 Palestinian kids with impunity?

OP asked a question.
People have attempted to answer that question.
These Ps, including myself, are not anti-semitic, racist, and / or justifying abuse.
Not one P on this thread condones violence against British Jews.
Can't you see that?

Quite a few posts have been deleted for being antisemitic.
If someone repeatedly told me I was being a racist I'd try my hardest to understand why they were saying that and then look deep within myself to see if I am indeed a racist.
I recommend it.

I see that, yes.

This sounds like a great idea. I hope it works for you.

Good for you.

Lets go back shall we?

This is a post on page one of this thread, ' Because Israel is bombing Palestine amongst other countries. This is the clear reason.'

Yeah, that is an anti-Semitic reply that is condoning violence against British Jews.

Jews are being attacked because people are racist. If you wanted to be more specific the reply would be, ' Jews are being murdered because the muslims murdering them are racist' being as all the attempted and completed murders have been by Muslims so far. You might want to look at the reasons why Muslims in particular are committing the murders, but your focus should be on the actions of the murderers. That is the beginining and end of it, just like it was when Muslims were attacked by white people during the IS terror attacks. We knew then that answering the question ' why are muslims being attacked' with, ' 'because there are Muslim terrorists' was racist.

But now, people like you, are pretending that putting racist murders 'in context' is somehow not racist.

I examine myself for it everytime someone says it to me. We're all prone to it, its human nature. Antisemitism is clearly and incontrovertibly on the rise so I think its valid to suggest everyone looks within themselves. Including you.

British Jews are supportive of Israel?? I’m a British Jew and I’m not supportive of Israel…

Perhaps you surveyed every British Jew except me. Maybe I was out of town that day?