Why are Jewish people facing persecution in the UK?

[Villanousvillans]

I don’t understand why Jewish people are being persecuted in this country. What is wrong with people?

Sorry but this is crazy! Islam is bring spread by violent conquest over parts of Africa as we write here, right now. Didnt you know that? Why didn't you know that?

This is why we need the global context.

Its not genocide, and repeating it is doesn't make it so.

Find me another urban war with a lower civilian to combat death rate than that in the recent war in Gaza. Because that is the comparison you need.

Despite the fact that Hamas, perhaps uniquely for a government at war, ( a war it started and planned for, for decades, remember) did not build any bomb shelters and did not hide any of its civilians in the underground tunnel city (which is effectively what it is) it built under gaza - despite having forewarning of bombing so citizens could be evacuated, despite all that, the death rate is remarkable low and the combatant to civilian death rate also remarkably low, for an urban war.

To meet genocide criteria intent has to be established. Its not about teh total numbers killed but whether you would have eradicated this ethnic group if you could. Israel does have the capability to genuinely wipe out all Gazans But it didn't. It gave warning of attacks, via multiple media, vaccinated Gazan children against polio, faciliated food conveys to gaza, risked its own soldiers lives to do ground operations ( resulting in deaths of its own soldiers) to minimise casualites of civilians. And the result is a low death count and low combatant to civilian death count. How they conducted the war will be studied for how to reduce civilian death in urban war.

Hamas on the other hand, openly stated they needed the deaths of their own civilians to fortify their fighters, refused to shelter their civilians in tunnels and stole the food aid for themselves ( hostages reported vast quantities of stored food aid). . There is also evidence coming out of them selling the free food aid and sexually exploiting women in return for food aid. They used the ceasefire to plant 10s of thousands of explosive devices in Rafah, meaning it was destroyed

And that is without even getting on to the barbarity of the October 7th. Do you really think that hamas would have stopped if they could have killed every Israeli? No way would they have stopped. Given the criteria for genocide is intent, not capacity, Hamas's actions would far more meet the criteria for genocide against Israel, than the other way around.

'Israel shouldn’t have gone unchecked for so long'

What does this mean?

Do you think we could possibly find any Palestinians who would speak in a similar way about Jews?

Do you think we'd find any Ukrainians saying similar about Russians and vv? Sudanese vs Sudanese?

Do you harbour similar feelings towards all those races too, do you watch documentaries about them?

Or are Israelis somehow uniquely awful in how they speak about their current enemy?

No, they're paying the price for the crimes of the people who attack them. The people stab Jewish prople in the street or attack synagogues or set fire to ambulances are responsible for their own crimes.

Sounds oddly like a justification for terrorism to me... and around we go.

I'm so so fucking sorry to any Jewish person or Israeli reading this thread.

Christianity was spread by slavery and violent empires too.

Yes it was, but we are talking about the world in 2026. Left wing values such as gender expression, LGBTQ+ equality, pro-choice, gender equality, freedom of speech etc are largely not acceptable at all in Islamic countries. Try having a Pride event in the Middle East and see where it gets you.

It does. The responsibility and accountability lies with those who commit terrorism and antisemitism, not British Jews.

It’s something that the thread has so many posts on a conflict that is not theirs.

They have pride events in Israel.

I should have said - excluding Israel.

They have issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu for war crimes- deliberately targeting civilians and using starvation as a method of warfare.

The arrest warrant was not for genocide, which is the accusation being thrown around and which I responded to.

The accusation of genocide against Israel is deliberate and calculated. Its designed to be cruel as it throws in Jewish people's faces their own trauma of the genuine and real genocide committed against them.

Its also used to justify the violent hatred thrown at Israel and Jews - which has resulted in the murderous hatred we are seeing in the UK and other western countries.

Everyone who has repeated the genocide libel is responsible for creating the culture that has led to an environment of growing hatred and violence and dehumanisation that has led to individuals feeling justified in murdering Jews.

What has this to do with the current heightened threat to British Jews?

And it ends with them being called anti semetic

In all of the hundreds of threads? Many of which reach a thousand posts? They all end because someone is called antisemitic for no reason other than they criticise Israel?

Why? That's the question, I believe.

Of course it doesn't. Where on earth do you get that idea?

Possibly quite a lot. This thread is for trying to work that out, I think? That, among other things.

That's not when it started, though...this latest wave started on 7 Oct. People were cheering and counting the deaths as the attack was still ongoing.

They’re not responsible in any way so why should people associate the two things and worse act on it

SOME of them are supportive of Israel.

You might have to say more on what you mean by this but how far do you take a response to this?

Surely not what happened to an innocent 70ish year old man waiting for a bus.