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Why are Jewish people facing persecution in the UK?

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Villanousvillans · Yesterday 00:27

I don’t understand why Jewish people are being persecuted in this country. What is wrong with people?

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SallySooo · Yesterday 20:40

the problem here in the uk is lack of education and people being really, really ignorant and stupid.

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 20:41

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 20:04

I really don’t have to worry about how you judge me. Jesus will do that. He’ll judge us all.
Hatred is all around. My point is, why are we so shocked at these events. It happens the world over between religions.
It’s not safe for Christian’s in Israel and it’s not safe for Jews in the UK.
Im genuinely sorry my link to the news article upset you.
Shalom.

We live in the UK. I want my country to be a safe place for all its citizens. I know Christians are persecuted in other countries. That doesn’t mean I think it’s ok that people from other religions are persecuted here …. It’s not ok that Jews don’t feel safe . ( And Israel is certainly not anything like as big a threat to Christianity as many other countries - you should be aware of that)

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 20:43

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 20:39

Agreed. So many are being killed in some countries in Africa, and this was my original point. There is hatred all over.

Your point is really unhelpful.
Yes - horrible things happen in other countries.
That should make us all the more determined to ensure our country is a safe place for everyone.

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 20:54

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 20:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02gnzlvkko

It describes the man as wearing a Kippah which I believe only Jewish people wear.

Thats obviously terrible behaviour. But what’s your point? Surely you are not suggesting we turn a blind eye to terrible behaviour in our country?

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 20:55

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 20:43

Your point is really unhelpful.
Yes - horrible things happen in other countries.
That should make us all the more determined to ensure our country is a safe place for everyone.

Ok. I’m certain you know best.

I will be praying for peace for everyone. I am truly sorry for anyone tonight living in fear or upset. I stand by my fellow Christian, Jewish and Muslim people who are being persecuted for their faith, all over the world.
I will particularly pray for Jewish children in the uk and families to feel safe on the school run and everyday life.

SallySooo · Yesterday 21:06

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 20:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02gnzlvkko

It describes the man as wearing a Kippah which I believe only Jewish people wear.

Goodness. This is like
me searching for some random incident where a black person committed a crime to justify racism to black people. The way you are clinging on to some random news story to justify your racism.

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:06

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 20:54

Thats obviously terrible behaviour. But what’s your point? Surely you are not suggesting we turn a blind eye to terrible behaviour in our country?

Absolutely not! Persecuting innocent people for their faith is not ok. All we can do as a community is give people our time and help people who need it, and so by doing that, we are not spreading hate and strengthening our communities.
I do not feel hate in my heart for any faith, I have probably been too blunt and stated that it happens all over.
I have no idea if I’m replying to someone of faith or not, but persecution is a sad reality.

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:11

SallySooo · Yesterday 21:06

Goodness. This is like
me searching for some random incident where a black person committed a crime to justify racism to black people. The way you are clinging on to some random news story to justify your racism.

I think you should give up now Sally.
I’m sorry that you’re angry but that seems to be something you need to deal with.
It’s interesting to me that you’re ok with an elderly person being kicked to the ground and brush it off as ‘some random story’. Im not ok with this headline just as much as a Jewish person being attacked either.
I guess that’s where we differ Sally. I can see both sides where as you’re blinded by your own agenda.
It’s not racist - it’s the sad facts of what’s going on between faiths right now.

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 21:16

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:11

I think you should give up now Sally.
I’m sorry that you’re angry but that seems to be something you need to deal with.
It’s interesting to me that you’re ok with an elderly person being kicked to the ground and brush it off as ‘some random story’. Im not ok with this headline just as much as a Jewish person being attacked either.
I guess that’s where we differ Sally. I can see both sides where as you’re blinded by your own agenda.
It’s not racist - it’s the sad facts of what’s going on between faiths right now.

I’m more concerned about what is happening in my own country.
I really don’t understand why you’re deflecting like this. I’m Christian ( Roman Catholic) . I don’t like to hear about the abuse of Christians anywhere. But I do feel that when hate attacks happen in my own country I need to speak out.
It’s sad to hear that not all fellow Christians feel the same.

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:22

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 21:16

I’m more concerned about what is happening in my own country.
I really don’t understand why you’re deflecting like this. I’m Christian ( Roman Catholic) . I don’t like to hear about the abuse of Christians anywhere. But I do feel that when hate attacks happen in my own country I need to speak out.
It’s sad to hear that not all fellow Christians feel the same.

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I wasn’t actually trying to deflect. I’d say it’s all closely linked wouldn’t you. We absolutely need to stand together though.

SallySooo · Yesterday 21:23

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oopsBSoD · Yesterday 21:28

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:22

I wasn’t actually trying to deflect. I’d say it’s all closely linked wouldn’t you. We absolutely need to stand together though.

How is a women being attacked thousands of miles away closely linked to antisemitism in the UK?

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 21:35

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:22

I wasn’t actually trying to deflect. I’d say it’s all closely linked wouldn’t you. We absolutely need to stand together though.

No - it’s not “closely linked”
My Jewish friends and neighbours in the UK are not responsible for the actions of some nutter in Israel .
You’re just trying to justify antisemitism. Shame on you.

SallySooo · Yesterday 21:41

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:22

I wasn’t actually trying to deflect. I’d say it’s all closely linked wouldn’t you. We absolutely need to stand together though.

@Owlinthewodsshall I show you a Muslim terrorist attack in another country and say that attacking an innocent Muslim grandfather in a uk supermarket is closely linked? Or any other ethnic group or minority.

AmberTigerEyes · Today 07:44

Underthinker · Yesterday 07:22

It wasn't the "criticising Israel" bit they were imprisoned for though was it?

It was for vandalism. Then while they were in custody, PA was proscribed and so they were kept imprisoned as the charges were upgraded to terrorism that destroyed caused property damage and injury.

AmberTigerEyes · Today 07:47

AmIReallyTheGrownup · Yesterday 07:23

Oh stop being obscure.

The protestors are in jail because they entered and allegedly damaged national security infrastructure. They weren’t just kicking bins over in the high street. It’s a serious offence.

Same would happen if climate action or anti-sexism protestors decided to take on Brize Norton.

Thats the charges - vandalism. You don’t get charged with vandalism for kicking over a couple of bins. The climate action protesters who snuck onto an airport and chained themselves to a plane were all acquitted and released within a few months. These people have been locked up with no trial for going on two years. It isn’t the same.

dairydebris · Today 07:56

Owlinthewods · Yesterday 21:11

I think you should give up now Sally.
I’m sorry that you’re angry but that seems to be something you need to deal with.
It’s interesting to me that you’re ok with an elderly person being kicked to the ground and brush it off as ‘some random story’. Im not ok with this headline just as much as a Jewish person being attacked either.
I guess that’s where we differ Sally. I can see both sides where as you’re blinded by your own agenda.
It’s not racist - it’s the sad facts of what’s going on between faiths right now.

Matthew 7 vs 3-5.

AmberTigerEyes · Today 07:56

SomethingFun · Yesterday 08:23

People were antisemitic before the conflict but the conflict gives the ideal excuse to voice it. They will be antisemitic after it, it seems to be in their bones. I don’t get it, Jewish people in the uk are a tiny minority, most antisemites in the uk have probably never even met a Jewish person. I don’t understand why a lot of people seem to need to irrationally hate another group.

If you think you can’t criticise Israel without being called antisemitic then I’m afraid it is probably because you are being antisemitic in your criticism. Perhaps you think all Jews are rich and powerful and connected and therefore Israelis are controlling other world governments? Perhaps you constantly equate what happens in Gaza with the holocaust? Perhaps you hold Israeli Jewish people to a different standard of behaviour and conduct than you do everyone else?

100% anyone Jewish like me knows the antisemitism never stops, it’s is always there like an active volcano.

AmberTigerEyes · Today 08:02

SallySooo · Yesterday 08:29

Jewish people don’t have prejudice against Muslims. We want Muslims to be our allies. We only
have prejudice against terrorists some of whom are Muslim yes but non-Jews like to think that Jews and Muslims are against each other. They’re not.

Some of us are racist towards Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) as well as the Phillipino farm workers and Black people.

Jewish people are not superior to any other people, we have racists too.

Unfortunately, some of these anti-Palestinian racists are currently running the government of Israel.

OpheliaWasntMad · Today 08:07

AmberTigerEyes · Today 07:56

100% anyone Jewish like me knows the antisemitism never stops, it’s is always there like an active volcano.

Yes - but I’ve never known antisemitism to be as bad as it is now.
Things are being said publicly by political candidates that would have been unsayable a few years .
Art galleries are holding exhibitions of the vilest most disgusting antisemitic “art”
The hate crimes ( per head of population) are EIGHT times higher for Jewish people than any other group.

OpheliaWasntMad · Today 08:09

Gardenimp · Yesterday 00:51

Because (some) people don't seem to be able to separate the behaviour of Israel, which I do think we should be able to critisise without calls of anti semitism, and the Jewish people.

This works both ways, for too long Jewish community leaders considered any critisim of Israel to be antisemititic.

I think Corbyn has been proved right, and not antisemetic at all.

And views like this

AmberTigerEyes · Today 08:11

SharonEllis · Yesterday 08:11

Jews in Britain are also British. The Jewish community has been here for 350 years.

Longer than that. Records of Jewish settlers date to 70 AD as part of the Roman conquest. After Rome withdrew from Britain and was replaced by local rulers in 410, very little written records exist regarding whether Jewish communities left with the Romans or stayed on. The next time we appear in written records is in 1066 when we followed the Normans in by invitation. Then, we were predictably massacred and expelled in 1290 but many went underground and worshipped in secret and more if us started trickling back in the mid 1300s.

Underthinker · Today 08:15

AmberTigerEyes · Today 07:44

It was for vandalism. Then while they were in custody, PA was proscribed and so they were kept imprisoned as the charges were upgraded to terrorism that destroyed caused property damage and injury.

Still no one has been criminalised for criticising Israel.

AmberTigerEyes · Today 08:25

dairydebris · Yesterday 10:26

Sounds oddly like a justification for terrorism to me... and around we go.

I'm so so fucking sorry to any Jewish person or Israeli reading this thread.

It’s not a justification.
thank you for apologising.
some of your attempts to support us do harm more than help even thought you have the best of intentions.