Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

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Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

I’m sorry, but this is exactly the thread to be discussing this. This appalling attack has happened because of anti semitism. Whether you like it or not the whole Gaza situation was orchestrated to stir up anti Israel sentiments - being against Israel is anti semitism on line with many definitions and has been the primary conduit by which anti semitism, whether active or passive, conscious or unconscious has been stirred up in Britain. So please don’t come all wide eyed and with faux innocence saying now isn’t time to discuss Gaza yes it is, even though those who have been waving their Palestinian flags might feel uncomfortable with the way these marches they have been on have directly fed into the feeling of intimidation and threat Jews in Britain have been feeling.

Seconded - this is not the place.
Please stop it, @Busybeemumm
Signed,
A non-Jew.

Ah ok I understand.

It’s actually similar to arguments I had with my narcissistic ex. Even after my brother died he managed to create an argument with me about it. He used to avoid any responsibility or accountability and cleverly manipulated me into questioning myself even when I knew what I’d said was right. He’d bring up past issues but wriggle out of his role in them. Then when I got upset he’d call me a victim and goad me into apologising to him for his bad behaviour. It’s an endless cycle. Thankfully I learned not to take it personally. This poster’s comments and snide little jibes don’t affect me because I know it’s not about me. Or Jews. It’s about the innate festering hatred and denial vying for attention. Of course it’s obvious that whenever Jews are killed we will be gaslit into somehow thinking we deserved it. We are used to it.

It's not about ignoring one poster.

People are upset, worried, scared. You might disagree with them but surely you can understand and recognise their feelings.

Let it go for a day.

@nomas You replied to my posts saying it's inappropriate to call it an Islamist attack without evidence. I replied to you saying I only called it that once it was confirmed & added a media link. That's when you ignored me, funny that!

the whole Gaza situation was orchestrated to stir up anti Israel sentiments - being against Israel is anti semitism

That’s just not true.

This view can’t be normalised and needs to be pushed back on every time.

What a terrible thing. My sympathies to the Jewish community.

He used to avoid any responsibility or accountability and cleverly manipulated me into questioning myself even when I knew what I’d said was right.

Exactly & it's why I question what do people get out of this? particularly when it's so raw still. I cannot get my head around thinking this way.

Fair enough, but if you can't see what I mean about whitewashing Hamas then we must be living in a different country!

That’s just not true.
This view can’t be normalised and needs to be pushed back on every time.

The goal was to goad Israel into a war to tank the Abraham accords. Or do you think 7 October was just senseless mayhem and hatred? Because it's one of the two, really, isn't it?

No, I didn’t reply to any of your posts. You kept posting me and I eventually replied.

I actually think now it a very dangerous time, the mood is swinging away from socialism and globalisation. We are seeing Leftist ideologies of things like trans rights, criticism of British culture and history, unfettered immigration esp from the East, anti capitalism (which often leads to anti semitism) anti Christian and antic semitism anti women (esp anti lesbian) being rejected and they must have felt they were very nearly there. As they get more desperate there’s a chance they will get more violent.

Absolutely horrendous and really frightening.

From a country that prided itself on defeating the Nazis to a country where Jewish people are terrorised and murdered. I thought we said 'never again.'

A terrible day for Britain's Jewish community. My heart goes out to the victims and the brave security person(s) that stopped the terrorist getting into the Synagogue.

All I can say is that I certainly don’t whitewash Hamas.
7th October was despicable, horrible, fucking awful. What is happening in Gaza right now, ditto.
What I really can’t get my head around is anyone in the UK equating the actions of a government thousands of miles away with British Jewish citizens.
That anyone would do that is beyond me.

I think it goes deeper than that.
There seems to be a very deliberate narrative being pushed that Israel is a nation of terrible people, and that what is happening in Gaza is totally unrelated to what any of the people in Gaza have done. It's as if 'ordinary Gazans' didn't cheer the dead body of Shani Louk. (Which is not to say that every Gazan supports Hamas - but a lot of them seem to.)

By these means, many people are turned against Israel, especially young people. Give it 20 years, and they'll be in positions of power. And in the short term, it makes Gaza a political cause which will put the frighteners on various politicians.

Hamas has won the propaganda war.

It absolutely blows my mind that no other conflict attracts the interest, rage, activism and energy that this one does.

Why do you keep trying to shut people down and deny attacks against Jewish people and the celebration by Muslims.

Im sorry but what do you think Oct 7th was about? What do you think taking hostages was about. Hamas committed an atrocity so awful that they had no choice but to react. As a matter of interest what do you think Israel should have done, not what they shouldn’t have done, what they should have done, how they should have reacted. Because Hamas sure as hell knew Israel would have little option. This is why Hamas used children and hospital patients as human shields.

I understand people might feel uncomfortable knowing that manipulation of the British public has occurred to make it ma much worse place for Jewish people to live. But it’s what has happened. This is what needs calling out.

No, I didn’t reply to any of your posts. You kept posting me and I eventually replied.

Well that's a contradiction...

You were arguing with numerous posters that there was no proof it was an Islamist terror attack. In my second response to you where I said it was confirmed it was you responded to me about the dangers of Southport etc and asked who has confirmed it etc. I then posted a link for you. You ignored that, as I said no one was surprised.

I have only seen an outpouring of grief, prayers and saying how wrong it was. That's from the local Muslim community and the the wider ones I've heard of.

I guess there will be some groups (Muslim and non Muslim) who think that all Jewish people should be held accountable for what Israel is doing but I suspect it's a very small number and not any I've seen or heard.

I live in the area though, so may be people wouldn't say it around here?

@nomas are you going to apologise to me for accusing me of labelling it as an Islamist attack without confirmation?

The murderer has been named. His name indicates his motivation.
https://x.com/acailler/status/1973842262129062141?t=3J48GV27M6Z45_Sw1fbfkg&s=19

The suspect is a British citizen of Syrian descent, according to the BBC.

What I really can’t get my head around is anyone in the UK equating the actions of a government thousands of miles away with British Jewish citizens.

And yet it even happens on MNs