Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

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Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

No they are not.
What the f are you thinking.

I think a lot of Jewish people have fallen into the trap of needing to be seen to have the right virtuous group think about Palestine and in order to distance themselves from Israel's actions (they think) may be vocal about pro palestine

I wonder how much cognitive dissonance is going on there though

Almost a bit like Stockholm syndrome.

When Jewish people say 'actually we need a homeland and Israel has the right to defend itself' all hell breaks loose and they're accused of being baby killers and hospital breakers.

Whatever you say hon 💐

Until we can break down the complexities of both side’s grievances and address them, nothing will change.

Uggboots, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement of yours. It is no use villifying entire groups of people. That is what leads to extremism.

It's on page 5 of the Pro-Palestinian handbook

What?! British jews are gunning down people outside mosques or blowing up concert arenas and buses? Is that the endless cycle you are seeking so diligently to stop? Name one atrocity that British jews are responsible for.

me too. Not Jewish, but I think that there should be a Jewish state.

Absolutely, I mean there is a Jewish state. So to un-Jewish-state, they would have to mass deport to… where? And the people who want this are against all other ‘mass deportations’ including the UK (as am I)

It seems that all those using Zionism as a slur want Jewish people not to exist at all.
I wish the Jewish people would choose this country as their homeland and expel those who are against the Jewish people.

Well it’s been declared a terrorist incident now.

I agree. One came, accompanied by police, to my residential area for no fathomable reason other than to intimidate the Jewish community here. There hasn't been any other political march with our area as the finishing line that I can remember in two decades. It shouldn't have been allowed.

Doesn't this exactly demonstrate why Isreal exists?

Of course not, it will. They will use this as yet another reason to stoke up hatred. They always do, it's how they operate.

I was just coming on to ask what this means? What about the attack makes it a terrorist one rather than a racist one? Anybody have views on this?

I'm just speculating but maybe it's a survival instinct. After years of persecution you avoid what's seen as a provocative opinion, maybe?

But the far left screaming names are just the same with anyone who dares to step outside the acceptable groupthink. Take gender ideology, you can say you respect trans people and want them to live safely and with security, but dare to also say you think women should have their own spaces and services and you'll be shouted down as wanting trans people to be murdered

Im also sick of seeing pro palestine stickers in shops of all places

No other political flags or stickers or rhetorics.

Why on earth would we do that?! That's just ridiculous.

Oh yes totally agree, I was just explaining what I thought was happening sometimes if some Jewish people (and I'd wager theres not many despite what people like to claim) go to marches.

Donated, thanks for the link

I don’t know any Jewish people who have been to the marches personally, but there are videos on socials of English Jews protesting whats happening Gaza and of the protests wanting a ceasfire is Israel also x

I'm in an area with very few Jewish people and I rely heavily on what Nella Larsen (an American writer of Danish and mixed African American and white American descent) called 'passing.' Even before October 7th, telling people I'm Jewish had the queasy resonance of 'coming out.' I could never be utterly confident that it was safe till I'd said it and registered the reaction. It's the 21st century and no-one should feel ashamed of their background and heritage or any other aspect of their innocent being and yet here we are.

Wishing you a good evening and in spite of the terrible events in Manchester, good Yom Tov.

No one should be surprised about this terrorist attack.
When the government has allowed hate marches, rife anti semetic signs/chants/behaviour to continue, aided and abetted by the police & politicians it’s no surprise.
Everybody who is on the side of Jews, who is scared of the masses of illegal immigrants or who is anxious about the growing number of Muslims in the UK is immediately labelled ‘far right/bigot/nazi’ etc.
Starmer recognising the state of Palestine when it fails the criteria for being a state on so many levels has enabled radical Muslims to be even more anti semetic. MPs regularly calling out Israel for ‘genocide’ when there is no genocide as defined by the meaning of the word genocide.
It all simply makes every Jew in the UK a target - having to have guards on Synagogues/Jewish schools/meeting places etc is a terrible terrible stain on Britain. Why have we allowed this to happen?
Are Jews trying to blow up Mosques?
Are Jews being sentenced for raping gangs?
Muslims account for 5% of the population yet they account for 90% of people on the MI5 watchlist.
There’s something very very dark happening in our country.
Im frightened for the future but more frightened for my daughter.
This should have been dealt with a very long time ago - it’s appalling that this hasn’t been addressed and here we are.
No accountability and looking at where rampant anti semetic hatred -which has been allowed to run wild in the UK - has led us.
This will not be the last attack.
My heart breaks for the Jewish community especially the one in Manchester.
God Bless those poor murdered people, those injured and all of their families.

It means that it’s designed to influence government policy or to intimidate the public. It’s driven by ideology eg religion.

Terrorism has a specific definition, but it can be borne out of any number of things, racism, sexism, religious extremist etc etc

Ah, I lost mine.

Could you send me yours please ?