Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

[VillaDiodati]

Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

from bbc:

Police said they declared "Plato" moments after first hearing about the incident.

Operation Plato is a set of responses by the emergency services to large-scale incidents including "marauding terrorist attacks".

When police declare Operation Plato, the other emergency services such as the ambulance service then have protocols that they follow.

For example NHS trusts will activate their major incident plans.

To those Jewish mumsnetters reading this- you have my condolences and support. If you are angry, I share that anger. If you are afraid, I want to be part of a better world where you do not have to feel that way. I stand with you.

Totally agree.

I don't see why he should be. Recognising the state of Palestine or not would have made no difference.

We should recognise the rights and sufferings of the Palestine people.

We should also condemn the astrocities that Hamas have commited.

We should also condemn the genocide that the state of Osrael is currently committing.

We should be condemming acts of terror like this one.

No but being seen to recognise a terrorist state inspiring attacks on our own soil and citizens might be a problem, no?

Absolutely horrific I have made a donation to https://cst.org.uk/. It is a small gesture but it's something I can do

No, no, no it’s not them who should have to leave 😡

To the Jews on this thread posting their experiences of antisemitism, I believe you. To those saying they hide their religion and culture out of fear, I am truly sorry that you are in that position, it is completely unacceptable that you're made to feel like that.

That this is contributed to by the sort of people who would pride themselves on their progressiveness but chant 'Nazi' at anyone who has a view with which they disagree, and who don't seem to be able to draw a parallel between their behaviour/that of those they support and the antisemitism that has been allowed to run unchecked in the UK, culminating in today's atrocity....well, I have no words.

We are living in a country divided by hatred.

Well yes. But that is sadly nothing new.

Im furious this is on our shores, furious that our country is becoming as divisive and intolerant as america or other countries like that.

Ive said so many times these people who support Palestine as a political entity, by virtue supporting Hamas' right to exist, support a right wing dangerous despotic regime but will cite themselves as the good and the virtuous, tolerant and anti discriminatory. Well why the hell do you want Hamas to be successful then? Or any Islamic regime?

I agree with this. It doesn't have to all or nothing as all can be true at once.

The sad thing is that anti semitism has become ‘acceptable’.
There are those who feel emboldened to say whatever nasty thing they want to about Jewish people . They honestly don’t think there is anything wrong with it .

I am just fed up tbh. Fed up with anti semitism, fed up with racism against immigrants , fed up with all the hate.

I’m so sorry you and your family have experienced that. It’s disgusting these marches still carry on and disturbing some of the marchers dont understand the implications of what they are doing. Please know you do have love and support from outside the Jewish community. I’m so very sorry

I wonder if he was being monitored under prevent. They'll need to look into whether this was predicted and whether it could have been stopped

@reginaldronnierara don't be so crass, that is a disgusting thing to say.

Thank you for a rational explanation.

I beg your pardon?

@soupyspoon

I think it’s when you can identify that arguments do not make sense that the underlying bigotry is revealed. It doesn’t make sense on one hand to indicate support for liberal values, and on the other hand support terrorist movements. The argument doesn’t make sense because they are really drawing on some hidden ideology, and it could be that the true motivation is an underlying antisemitism.

@defrazzled what do you mean? Can you explain?

Yep, that's right.

This is not a helpful comment. The country needs to come together (isn't that what the flag flying is all about?).
Throwing in daft comments about "the left" isn't helpful and is also not true.
Disagreeing with the Israel government is not antisemitism and is also no excuse for attacks like this. Violence has no excuses.

@reginaldronnierara you hate innocent bystanders almost a much as an antisemitic terrorist? Really? You can't see how crass that is?

Couldn’t agree more.
the man is a disgrace

All of this. And I'm deeply sorry.