Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

Let’s put that 339 figure into perspective. There are over 50,000 asylum seekers in hotels, so that’s less than 0.7% involved in those cases. You’d get higher offending rates in plenty of other groups, including the general population.
Crimes by UK-born offenders don’t get this kind of forensic number-counting and we certainly don’t expect a separate news article for each one. But when it’s an immigrant, suddenly people want 339 headlines and wall-to-wall coverage. That’s not about justice or awareness. That’s just agenda.

Let’s put that 339 figure into perspective. There are over 50,000 asylum seekers in hotels, so that’s less than 0.7% involved in those cases. You’d get higher offending rates in plenty of other groups, including the general population.
Crimes by UK-born offenders don’t get this kind of forensic number-counting and we certainly don’t expect a separate news article for each one. But when it’s an immigrant, suddenly people want 339 headlines and wall-to-wall coverage. That’s not about justice or awareness. That’s just agenda.

"Protests" is a wide word isn't it. You could be protesting against a new hydro dam being built. Or protesting against people being near you who you don't want to be near you because they're not the same as you.

Not all "protests" are democratic. "Protests" that support fascist ideology are certainly not democratic. In Europe especially due to our history we all need to be aware of and vigilant to creeping fascism. Because when we allow fascism to creep we enable it to flourish and that can happen remarkably quickly, as it did to most devastating effects in the 1940s.

How to distinguish a fascist leaning protest is not hard objectively speaking - you just need to watch out for exclusionary language, exclusionary belief in inherent national superiority, backed up by violence and concentrated power.

Sadly Europe has a fairly recent legacy of colonialism and so there is at least a kind of folk-memory blurring around the edges of acceptable behaviour, as to what is considered legitimate discourse and what is actually nasty, dangerous talk.

I’m finding living in the UK very difficult right now, the level of civil unrest and division is scary. I can see it from all sides and think 99% of people have valid concerns. Everything is expensive and wages are low, some can’t afford to live and others come and get free bed and board. I can also sympathise with some asylum seekers, who must feel like they’ve been left with no other choice but to come here illegally. The news is reporting on the wrong things like that girl being sent home for wearing a Union Jack dress, while ignoring bigger issues like that worker who was stabbed to death. It seems homophobia, racism, sexism etc is on the rise and there are many kids obsessed with Andrew Tate and men like him, with absolutely no respect for women. Issues in the Middle East are escalating and some politicians seem more focused on that than issues here, the starvation etc in Gaza is terrible but they need to fix the problems here. Locally multiple blocks of flats have been approved to be built, it’s caused house prices to lower already and the area won’t cope with so many extra people the gp surgery barely has enough appointments for us already living here. Fear of the unknown, the thought of illegal immigrants being housed locally scares a lot of people, especially if they don’t speak English and aren’t really integrating. Young people are moving away and I don’t blame them, but I think the future looks bleak everywhere e.g with Trump in the US. Worlds gone mad.

Interesting how many people posting here know about crimes and perpetrators around the country that have not been reported.

Interesting how many people posting here know about crimes and perpetrators around the country that have not been reported.

So you are saying the protests are absolutely pointless as rapists will not listen no matter their ethnicity? So burning hotels will do nothing, right? Apart from paint the protestors as treating females as their property.

They can hold them to account as right now we do not. We can deport white men. Some are German, American, Australian, French etc. You assume white = British.

Rape is the most legal illegal thing. Like driving at 71mph, it is illegal but chances of getting done for it are absolutely minute even if you confess or film yourself doing it.

Well yes we can because white men are massively over represented. As are boys. We certainly need to lock up boys who are sex offenders given they are a huge issue.

Agree completely with this.

Sorry, just checked and there are currenty around 32,000 in hotels, not 50,000. But the point still stands.

Sorry, just checked and there are currenty around 32,000 in hotels, not 50,000. But the point still stands.

Many people seek help from agencies. Those agencies have data on how many seek help. Then there is data on reported crimes. The difference between the two shows one level of under-reporting.

What would protesting rape do though? Will the men listen? Of course they won’t

No of course not. They'll just tell us all that we should hate those other men, over there. That they're the ones who are causing the problem. The ones with brown faces.

That is the culture the world over to blame females for being raped based on their clothing. You only have to see the threads on here about schools girls.

Who gets to decide whether a protest is ‘fascist’? You, by the sounds of it?

There are plenty of countries where people have brown faces, and it's not acceptable/commonplace to rape people. Unfortunately Afghanistan isn't one of them.

Many crimes committed aren’t ones illegal immigrants can actually commit - for example driving offences (they don’t have cars), fraud related offences (they don’t work, have mortgages etc). It’s also estimated the number is likely higher owing to the refusal of the authorities to actually confirm numbers - these are merely the ones definitely picked up on.

Of course we should forensically number count their crimes, we are choosing to admit them to the country. We have no choice over allowing British criminals to remain here, but we do with illegal immigrant criminals. I will repeat this as much as necessary as it’s the point always batted away and ignored despite the fact it’s at the heart of the matter.

It's commonplace to rape women and girls everywhere in the world.

You could always have a little think about it, all by yourself.

But more in some countries than others. Stop being so faux naive.

Not all "protests" are democratic. "Protests" that support fascist ideology are certainly not democratic.

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Yes I bet you'd prefer that.

The Times is now reporting it:

Police ‘cover-up’ of Afghan asylum seekers accused of raping girl

https://www.thetimes.com/article/321b957f-7493-40a2-ac51-8f6a3ed13166?shareToken=a30b7b2270a309ab9d82c0697c77b5fa