Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

Exactly, that’s my point. Most crimes don’t make the news unless there’s something extra to them. But if the suspect’s an immigrant or refugee, suddenly it is newsworthy to certain outlets. Funny how that works.

Exactly, that’s my point. Most crimes don’t make the news unless there’s something extra to them. But if the suspect’s an immigrant or refugee, suddenly it is newsworthy to certain outlets. Funny how that works.

Most of the stories about illegal immigrants have only made local newspapers or perhaps 1 tabloid. Check if you don’t believe me.

Not just nasty Brits after all, it seems. Dh’s friend’s wife is Spanish and told me last year that tensions in Spain are also reaching boiling point.

You seem very confused.

A) I’ve just googled - it was a target, not a quota. Those aren’t the same thing.
B) It was in place from 2016-2018. That means its use was ended 7 years ago.
C) The CPS takes cases to court if they believe they have a 50% chance of conviction. The target in place from 2016-18 meant that they only took rape cases where they thought they had a 60% chance. I certainly agree that this was a terrible decision, but it’s not like 10% would make a massive difference to the numbers.
D) The target didn’t just apply to cases with white rapists. It applied to all rape cases - so white, brown, black rapists, UK citizen and immigrant rapists. So your claim that this was designed explicitly to let white rapists off the hook clearly holds no water.

This weekend there were protests in Germany, Spain, France, Poland, UK.

It's not just us but a European issue .

Well yes, fascism is a European issue.

Obviously you get extremism everywhere but fascism has a European heredity.

I watched the Epping protests quite a bit last week as wanted to check whether locals or not.

Since then my algorithm has gone pretty crazy and tonight I had another browse and was also thinking the same. Why are these not in the news?!? What scale is this happening at. Seems they are everywhere.

The strangest one was sleepy Bournemouth. Which from the sounds of it has been more nightmare than sleepy in recent years.

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1194750642532708353

Can you please tell me how protests - a very act of democracy - is ‘fascist’ by definition? And whether you consider the sort of countries the illegal immigrants tend to arrive from - mostly Islamic countries with regimes that stone or behead people, or subject women to far lesser rights etc - are also ‘fascist’ under your strange definition?

So scary for our children, particularly girls. We need more peaceful protests with higher numbers who feel able to show up without fear of judgement or being called racist.

As an aside, I also saw a video of Keir Starmer saying there is “plenty of spare housing” for illegal immigrants. Over a million people are waiting for social housing in England. What is he talking about?! He needs to go.

Absolutely it was. It was a minimum they had to achieve. They achieved it by taking less men to court.

And yet it applied to white grooming gangs not brown or black as they were not even part of the scandal. They say it was removed in 2018 but the data has got worse and rape victims are still reporting the same issues. They have evidence and the computer says no.

I didn't say it was designed to let white men off the hook. The issue is that white rapists can easily get away by pretending to be falsely accused and society backs them, including the police and courts. That same thing doesn't apply to men of other ethnicities as society is appalled when they rape but not when white men rape. We do not see the same level of protests when a white person rapes. No one protested when my friend was raped and had her neck slashed. That was her fault for being there.

By all means tell me I am confused that we do not hear "false allegation" cries all the time when women report rape and victim blaming.

So it makes no difference to let a huge proportion of rapists walk free? Absolutely it does.

In Germany, Afghan asylum seekers have been randomly launching lone wolf knife attacks - in January, an Afghan migrant attacked a kindergarten class on a trip to a local park with a knife, murdering a two year old child and a man who tried to defend the children.

In the UK, in the last few weeks alone, there have multiple Afghan asylum seekers charged with / convicted of raping children and young women.

These aren’t one off events. They are happening again and again. Do you seriously think that if a major war in Europe led Europeans to flee en masse to Asian and African countries, and then European men living off the generosity of those countries’ taxpayers started raping and murdering Indian, Nigerian or Chinese children, that there wouldn’t be mass protests?

What’s happening, is that people are getting their information from social media, easier to manipulate than the mainstream media. And the more they read/ click/ react/ comment on these stories, the more the algorithms show them. It’s feeding into a mindset of “divide and conquer”, keep the riffraff fighting amongst themselves and they’ll be distracted from the real issues that they face.

And let’s be honest, how exactly are we meant to “check” that? There’s no master list of who gets reported where. You’re just assuming most stories involving immigrants only make it to local papers, without showing any actual data.
I’ve just Googled “GB News crime” and the first four articles all involve immigrants. So let’s not pretend these stories aren’t being reported or amplified. They are, loudly, when they fit a certain narrative. It’s not about whether it’s reported, it’s about which stories get pushed and why.

And let’s be honest, how exactly are we meant to “check” that? There’s no master list of who gets reported where. You’re just assuming most stories involving immigrants only make it to local papers, without showing any actual data.
I’ve just Googled “GB News crime” and the first four articles all involve immigrants. So let’s not pretend these stories aren’t being reported or amplified. They are, loudly, when they fit a certain narrative. It’s not about whether it’s reported, it’s about which stories get pushed and why.

Whilst I agree with the first sentiment. I think the issue people are expressing is that no one is reporting on this coherently. It is a chaotic Chinese whispers of local hearsay, facebook posts and YouTube live videos of protests. It is quite disorientating tbh because the trust has been eroded since previous events. So whilst you wouldnt usually believe a facebook post over the government/ police or national news. It’s unfortunately come to pass that its about now 50:50 whos actually telling the truth.

Was the hotel worker stabbed by a resident of the hotel or by someone else?
sounds awful.
I did see about the hotel protests on the news but didn’t catch where they were.

Rhiannon Whyte, a cleaner at the hotel, was murdered by South Sudanese asylum seeker and hotel resident Deng Chol Majek.

In the first six months of 2025, 339 residents of asylum hotels appeared before the courts for crimes such as grievous bodily harm (GBH) robbery and rape.

Have you seen anything like 339 articles, each referring to a separate defendant?

Hundreds of thousands of white men have assaulted and raped - not seen hundreds of thousands of reports on those. And no protests either.

Odd that?

Most sexual assaults on kids is by boys these days. not white men, not immigrants. Boys. No protests outside of schools or reports.

I'm sure history will judge us for this. The lives of most women in the countries with the highest rates of male asylum seekers are appalling. Why are we giving sanctuary to so many men when the women and girls they have abandoned are being subjected to harrowing and verifiable human rights abuses?

Why would it be odd? The government didn’t take an active decision to expose them to their victim. You’re committed to misunderstanding this point, it seems.

(And yes there have been protests about white men. Do you remember Sarah Everard?)

The mealy mouthed appeasers will soon find a ‘reason’ why their home country was so dangerous they had to break into ours illegally, yet simultaneously safe enough to leave their wife and kids in alone for years while they get the paperwork done.

Because it shows that people do not give a shite about rape or assaults. It is all performative and links them to being just the same as the abusers - treating women as 'cattle'.

Oh yes I remember that vigil. Don't remember seeing men protesting outside police stations threatening to set fire to them.

What would protesting rape do though? Will the men listen? Of course they won’t. The government can’t deport white male rapists, and rape is already illegal. However we can protest to stop them letting in more rapists, especially those from groups massively over represented in sexual offending.

You know this, but as I said, are absolutely committed to misunderstanding me.