Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

Having read some of this thread, I think if Starmer doesn’t make an urgent announcement and plan people will be protesting and demanding a new election, and won’t stop until one is called. Reform will win it. I had no idea that statistics prove men from certain countries were more likely to commit certain crimes. And it’s not racist to say it! This is becoming like the grooming gang scandal…..
Why an earth are we letting the roam around free, and able to disappear / live here illegally after their appeal is rejected?! They need secure camps with a place to sleep, food and clothes and there until we either decide to let them in or send them back.

Reform I’m sure will be making an announcement about what they want to do about this and their thoughts about why media isn’t covering it.

We wanted a Labour government, but ever since loosing to Johnson they’ve had an identity crisis and well it’s not what it said on the tin. This just adds to the fire.

‘’A peaceful women and children's protest outside the Britannia Hotel in London has been crashed by masked men who set off flares outside the suspected migrant hotel. Men believed to be asylum seekers were filmed walking into the hotel off a bus in the early hours of Saturday, with the video clip showing them holding what seemed to be brown envelopes and wearing similar clothing. Protestors also clashed with men who tried to leave the hotel on motorbikes on Sunday morning. One person has been arrested on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker during the demonstration and police have issued a 28-day dispersal ‘

extract from the Express.

There is another post saying the police haven’t issued a dispersal order. But footage of them apparently issueing it.

www.newenglishreview.org/canary-wharf/

The amount of masked people (often pro immigration demonstrators) attending these protests is a concern. What’s stopping pro immigration hooligans attending and causing trouble to get peaceful protest shut down? I remember how many women were attacked by masked men when campaigning for women’s rights (GC).

They need to ban all face coverings in public demonstrations.

I agree with you Jujujudo, most people haven't a clue what's is coming. My post would likely be nuked if I spelt it out.

They seem to be mobilising on trying to close off social media spreading info instead. I doubt it’ll work.

Hush now. We aren’t supposed to point that one out.

I would really like it spelt out all the same.

We live in a country that has traditionally been tolerant and respectful of different religions. Tolerance and respect is taught and largely seen as the right thing to do. The problem is that this has extended to tolerating and respecting religions and cultural norms that are completely at odds with our cultural norms and values. I personally do not respect misogynistic cultures that subjugate women, and I don’t think we should tolerate or respect it as a society.

you got receipts fot that claim?

YES. It was the lead story on the news on Sunday - this is how I know about it - very clearly said Manchester and London and had been reporting on the Essex demos in the days before that.
This is how I know about it.

Plus I’d like to see the same evidence for the women and children protest happening in CW

@Richandstrange - it was lead story on the BBC on Sunday - demos in London and Manchester.

Please do spell it out gentle sheep in a way that won’t get you deleted. You have a right to your own view.

I've been watching some of the protests on tiktok because they are very local to us and I want to know what's going on. They are literal live streams of it happening in real time so not dodgy right wing propaganda. It's basically a piss up with a few getting aggressive, I think about 12 people have been arrested in total. They've been taking place every Thursday and Sunday for a few weeks now.

They have also been reported by the BBC quite a lot so the ones near us at least do actually seem to be in the media.

I agree it's difficult to know what to believe.

There have been some hideous crimes committed, which is beyond awful for those involved. But are these crimes at a higher rate than seen in the population as a whole? Not to dismiss the impact on the victims, but it does determine whether this needs acting on specifically, or whether it falls under general VAWG.

It's also clear that some people do have an agenda in stirring up hatred. But we've seen in Rotherham that you can't dismiss everything as right-wing propaganda.

I think the govt needs to be proactive here in releasing data, and any hint of a concerted cover-up by MSM would be disastrous.

MH - mental health, including paranoia in his case so confrontation, even, did you manage to get the bread? is likely to be met with rage so it's tricky.

I don't normally watch terrestrial TV but we are in a holiday house with Sky and it starts on Bbc1 when you turn it on.

I get my news from alot of online sources.
NYT is my favourite, but guardian is a bit more measured. I do read GBnews but not a fan..
I like the Guardian for it's range of news. Certainly don't get the same sensational nonsense you get with tabloids.

So back to the question. It would seem there is a lot of civil unrest, and under reporting. This concerns me, censorship isn't usually a good thing and allows mischief to thrive until it explodes.
I will continue to listen to the DH, BC it seems his sources are accurate, even if the intent behind them is negative .

Whilst I have sympathy for immigrants of any creed, colour or sex/age. If you commit crimes here, you do not get to stay imo😚. Or if we incarcerate here, deport on release.

It does appear that housing immigrants in large groups is worsening the issue, or is that just my perception? Be interested to read study on this.

BBC has reported demos in Manchester and London and it London the news yesterday and they reported demos in Essex in the lead up to the weekend.

3rd August Telegraph article

Violent masked men have hijacked a peaceful protest outside a migrant hotel in which women in pink danced a conga.
More than 100 demonstrators gathered on Sunday outside the Britannia Hotel in London’s Canary Wharf to oppose the use of the four-star accommodation to house asylum seekers.
Video showed female protesters dressed in pink performing a cheerful conga as they waved England flags.

Im trying to post the link.

The reports now say a dispersal order was only on a small group of people. So it’s likely protests will resume at the hotel today? (So you may be able to check on SM later if you want more clarity).

Op thank you for posting. I think you have highlighted a news blackout that many had not realised.

We live in a beautiful, peaceful democracy. This is not a given. We work hard to keep our country as it is - it’s one of the reasons it is so appealing (that and the welfare state) I am imploring for leadership and immediate action from Starmer directly now and his government to address this issue immediately.

@Spookyspaghetti Talk TV have broadcasters and journalists who are not scared to speak the truth, and last week had an excellent report taken by soemone who actually worked in one of the hotels where illegal immigrants are housed. Unbelievable. Personally I listen to many news streams, (Al Jazeera is excellent for world news), and Talk TV are the only broadcaster who in my opinion dare say the truth on matters the rest of the MSM cover up. They do a lot of Keir Starmer bashing, but equally, when Boris was PM, they didn't let his lying go for a second. I don't bother with X, it's difficult to tell what's AI generated and what;s authentic, also its owner bothers me, personally.

I will ponder on how to word it carefully!

Yes there are crimes committed by the general population, nobody is denying that. But for the government to then allow masses of undocumented young males to enter the country of whom they know nothing about or their criminal history - because they destroyed their documents before entering the UK and who are now committing even more crimes on top of the ones we are already having to deal with is not really wise is it. It’s just adding to the crime statistics regardless of how much crime the general population have been committing, it is now being added to.

Most of the protests I’ve seen lately have all been pretty much peaceful- women dressed in pink outside the hotel singing and cheering is not stirring up racial hate. The so-called left anti racism protesters have been doing a great job of stirring up hate and resentment from what I’ve seen! Screaming “Nazi scum off our streets” and “refugees welcome” to anyone who dares to have an opinion about children getting raped by men residing in these hotels.

I was shocked by domestic violence statistics in India, Pakistan and Bangladeshi posted on a thread in FWR. Really shocked.

I think we have to consider the values of people arriving and whether they will ever manage to relearn how to view women.

We have enough trouble with the men we have grown here.

I live in East London, I'm 35 and I feel the same, even with boyfriend jeans and loose fit t-shirt.
I know few local (not muslims) mums who have teenage daughters (12-15) - they are all worried.

There has to be a balance of reporting, otherwise the media view sways the view of the whole population. Selectively ‘googling’ only produces the result you are looking for and algorithms skew this going forwards, making the viewer convinced that there is a huge issue in our country.

Balance would be reporting on the beautiful, traditional, inclusive, celebratory parades and events. Where is this shared, giving a wider view and balance about our country?

Our weekend, a tradition dating back to the 1100’s was filled with a historic procession, community and local business involvement, families having fun, laughter in full streets and the central square, food, drinks, people of all ages and backgrounds together, chatting, connecting. No crime at all.

A view of only demonstrations, unrest and crime is also a skewed view of our country.