Civil unrest, what's really going on?

[Sadworld23]

My DH keeps chirping up with, there's riots here, protests there, immigrants have done assaults in xxx etc. He sees me as a bit of a do-gooder..

All UK places, but when I look at my regular news, there's very little reporting of it.

My DH has some MH issues currently and to confront him with 'what the heck are you reading?' isn't worth it right now.
I make comments such as, ooh that sounds grim and doesn't sound good, and that's very worrying, but I'd really like to know if it's really happening and where he's getting this info.

You don’t seem to understand that the meaning of an institution can change over time when the society within which that institution exists itself changes.

You are free to opt out of marriage because of its historic connotations - but that doesn’t mean that your interpretation of marriage as being solely about ‘chattel’ (your favourite word) is the only correct one. My marriage is an equal partnership and always has been.

If you see marriage as inherently so unequal, with a man (the owner) and the woman (the chattel), how do you comprehend gay marriages? Which partner owns the other?

Well I don't know about your personal circumstances, but I've certainly never been oppressed in the UK.. tbh I'm starting to think you aren't quite right in the head, so I'll just leave it there 😬

What areas is this that are complaining? I’m from Glasgow and not aware of anti-immigrant sentiment.

“The amount of people” lol. How many is that?

It’s actually absurd as Scotland is literally one of the areas that needs more immigration.

Absolutely! Sexual assaults are so bloody common and yet all those protesting will not have shopped their mates, will absolutely have said 'men are falsely accused often' and 'women make false reports for money' at some point. They will have joined in with the rape culture we have in society and laughed at seeing men groping all over the place.

The issue we have in society is a violent male issue. Not just a violent brown male issue. Male - of all AGES, colours, ethnicities etc. To focus on one and ignore the rests is saying that they do not give a shit what the rest does. It shows hypocrisy and that it isn't about the women or they'd be doing something about it for all sex offenders.

Chattel was James' favourite word. Have you spoken to him about it? I don't think you have. I know why.

Most marriages are not equal. Gay marriage is not without ownership issues. The partner with more power owns the other if there is a power issue.

Glad your marriage is equal. It is rare that it is.

And you yourself have just used oppression 101 in your comment to say women aren't oppressed!

As if you just did that and scored an own goal! The dog caught its own tail there! What a humiliation for you!

How am I oppressed? Please enlighten me.

I received an excellent education and attended an excellent university where my female classmates outnumbered my male ones. I have built an excellent career where I am paid the same as my male peers. I have male and female bosses, all of whom treat me with respect, as do the men and women who work under me.

I have an excellent husband, who is a true, equal partner and we split all housework and childcare 50:50 - he has never once suggested that his career takes precedence over mine, despite being the higher earner. Over the course or my life, I've interacted with the odd sexist jerk (e.g. tradesmen who wanted to speak to my husband and not me) but that hardly constitutes 'oppression.'

Perhaps you'd get more done and be happier with your life if you just got on with things, rather than play acting 'oppression' when you in fact live in one of the most gender equal societies in the history of the world? A woman from 300 years ago, from anywhere in the world, wouldn't believe the rights you have.

Few too many glasses of wine? 🫣

Yes these are the exact type of people mocking or discrediting or plain ignoring female victims of male abuse when the male in question isn’t a POC!

And you’re right of course women suffer oppression in this country. Unbelievable that anyone is arguing the contrary. If they think we don’t, then they’re saying misogyny or sexism doesn’t exist in the UK 🤦🏻‍♀️

And as someone who worked in social services with predominantly white kids who were abused or neglected by their (white) family/relatives/community members etc don’t even get me started on these people who solely focus on abuse that involves “Asian grooming gangs”.

Children (of all races) who are abused by white men (or women) matter too!

My childhood best friend who was abused herself, says people like that are sick and don’t care about childhood abuse of people like her because it was done by her (white Scottish ) family. If it was an Asian man responsible for abusing her, they’d be tripping over themselves with “sympathy”.

So your issue is just with human relationships in general, then? You don’t think any relationships can be equal? I think that’s an issue for a different thread.

And who the fuck is James? Your stream of consciousness writing style is wearing thin.

I’m not clear what you mean when you talk about white British mean treating women as chattels and this being the norm.

Can you explain this point? Which white British men are you talking about, and how are they treating women as chattels? And how is this the norm or normalised in the UK?

I’m rather surprised to see this, and it would help to get a picture of where you’re coming from with it.

Good luck with this thread @Fetaface I’m out. So many people are wilfully ignorant 🤦🏻‍♀️

By all means you are free to research. The woman from 300 years ago who was put on the dunking stool and murdered for being female and speaking out....still happens.

Ah yes perhaps if we let men continue controlling women we would be ok because women speaking out about it is bad.

Yes, Fetaface is wilfully ignorant, as she has demonstrated by repeatedly pretending that there is no meaningful difference between the lives of women in Britain and Afghanistan. Off you trot.

Ds is a journalist on National press. There’s no media blackout.

I think you need to go to bed. You are incoherent.

Oh you are the gift that keeps on giving tonight. Nice deflection from using the classic oppression tactic.

Why did you use that tactic and fabricate things to try and control me?

Oh you lot are just amazing. As if you keep on handing evidence to me on a plate.

Thank you. Another own goal there sweetheart.

They absolutely are. They do not wish to deal with the violent man issue. Just pretend it is just 'them' as that makes it easier to separate themselves from that group.

What ‘evidence’? Please tell me, I would love to know.

This thread is ridiculous and people are arguing about things that have nothing to do with the topic.

Most white british men see women as objects. If you do not notice this then that shows how normalised it is within society.

By all means read around the subject.

The one you just handed to me on a plate with your last comment.

If you do not know the I suggest you look into the history of oppression.

What is happening in this thread?

I can’t figure out whether we need to offer biscuits, whether to get the grey paint out or whether we need to post support weblinks.

I’ve lived in the UK all my life, and while it has its fair share of sexist men, and women aren’t yet enjoying 100% equality in reality, even if we do in law, I don’t recognise this: ‘Most white british men see women as objects.’

Sure, some do. But I don’t recognise this as the norm. What evidence or experience are you drawing from to state this so confidently as if it’s fact?