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Russell Brand charged

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ThePoshUns · 04/04/2025 14:06

Just breaking on Sky News that Brand has been charged with a number of rapes and sexual offences. Good.
I hope his victims are feeling vindicated and supported.

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nasdout · 06/04/2025 14:35

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:16

These are all unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. If you believe in the "Great Reset" then you have drunk the Kool-Aid too.
Blaming Ukraine for Russia's invasion is the ultimate in victim blaming. It's classic DARVO so it's unsurprising that both Trump & Brand are spouting the same lies.

I am not sure you know what conspiracy theory means. Also there is no significance attached to "believing" in the "great reset". Have a read of the BBC article, it explains why where the term the "great reset" comes from and explains why what Brand was saying usually fell short of endorsing conspiracy theories.

TENSsion · 06/04/2025 14:38

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:34

Yet funnily enough the same people hold the same opinions all encompassing the same conspiracy theories. Anti-Net Zero & Climate Change Denial are usually part of the opinions.

Personally I don't think Brand holds any of these opinions except to promote his image & keep the money rolling in. Just like his baptism in the Thames it's just all performative. He can see which outrageous opinions get most views & delivers the goods accordingly. He is just a grifter doing what grifters do.

I think keeping conversations open about all these topics is a good idea.

I am concerned with how quickly people rush to silence and humiliate others with claims of being conspiracy theories when they’re simply asking questions or seeking more information about something.

I’ve not watched RB’s videos on these matters but in general, and learning from history, open discourse is much healthier than the alternative.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:41

nasdout · 06/04/2025 14:35

I am not sure you know what conspiracy theory means. Also there is no significance attached to "believing" in the "great reset". Have a read of the BBC article, it explains why where the term the "great reset" comes from and explains why what Brand was saying usually fell short of endorsing conspiracy theories.

Here is FullFact on the "Great Reset"

The World Economic Forum website does discuss a ‘Great Reset’ many times on its website, but many claims about the plan are false and amount to a conspiracy theory.
For example, since the initiative launched, it’s been claimed that the Great Reset is something that will restrict what you can eat or own.
We previously checked a false claim that the Great Reset book talks about “useless eaters” being eliminated. The line actually came from a 1992 conspiratorial essay about a secret elite group of leaders that control the world.
More recently we’ve debunked the claim that Ukraine is enacting the Great Reset by setting up a social credit app, when the app in question does no such thing and is used to store official documents and apply for certain grants.
So while it’s true that the Great Reset is mentioned a lot on the WEF website, this isn’t evidence that it’s not the subject of a conspiracy theory, as the many false claims about it we have previously checked demonstrate.

https://fullfact.org/online/great-reset-conspiracy-theory

The Great Reset: What is it? - Full Fact

The World Economic Forum’s website is open about its desire for a ‘Great Reset’, but what that means has been the subject of false claims.

https://fullfact.org/online/great-reset-conspiracy-theory/

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2025 14:42

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:27

It's a rubbish theory. The evidence is very shaky. Here is a recent editorial in Lancet Microbe a peer review medical journal

SARS-CoV-2 is a natural virus that found its way into humans through mundane contact with infected wildlife that went on to cause the most consequential pandemic for over a century. While it is scholarly to entertain alternative hypotheses, particularly when evidence is scarce, these alternative hypotheses have been implausible for a long time and have only become more-so with increasing scrutiny. Those who eagerly peddle suggestions of laboratory involvement have consistently failed to present credible arguments to support their positions.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(24)00206-4/fulltext

I dont know enough about it to judge. But given that the CIA and German intelligence both seem to disagree, I would call it a contested theory. Not a conspiracy theory.

nasdout · 06/04/2025 15:02

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:41

Here is FullFact on the "Great Reset"

The World Economic Forum website does discuss a ‘Great Reset’ many times on its website, but many claims about the plan are false and amount to a conspiracy theory.
For example, since the initiative launched, it’s been claimed that the Great Reset is something that will restrict what you can eat or own.
We previously checked a false claim that the Great Reset book talks about “useless eaters” being eliminated. The line actually came from a 1992 conspiratorial essay about a secret elite group of leaders that control the world.
More recently we’ve debunked the claim that Ukraine is enacting the Great Reset by setting up a social credit app, when the app in question does no such thing and is used to store official documents and apply for certain grants.
So while it’s true that the Great Reset is mentioned a lot on the WEF website, this isn’t evidence that it’s not the subject of a conspiracy theory, as the many false claims about it we have previously checked demonstrate.

https://fullfact.org/online/great-reset-conspiracy-theory

I think you have probably corrected your own post there. There is no relevance in "believing" in the "great reset". There are various conspiracy theories linked which you list, which isn't the same thing - they would be considered conspiracy theories if they are not factually true. But judging by what the BBC article said, Brand didn't endorse those.

I suspect (but I don't know as i didn't watch him) Brand said that the WEF had nefarious purposes in relation to their various economic plans and proposals. But that is a personal opinion, or personal suspicion, falling short of theory, based on what the BBC article said.

nasdout · 06/04/2025 15:06

For example, since the initiative launched, it’s been claimed that the Great Reset is something that will restrict what you can eat or own

Incidentally, as a point of interest, there was an article on the WEF website which referred to a plan for cities in 2030 which involved delivery to people of things when they needed it - be it a car, cooking utensils, food - and it all being centrally organised rather than people owning their own things. It didn't say it was linked to the Great Reset though. I read it a couple of years ago. As I say, it was an article on their own website - likely to still be there.

Mountainfrog · 06/04/2025 15:22

SirRaymondClench · 04/04/2025 16:26

If someone rapes someone and then 'reforms', or finds God or whatever, it makes no difference to the victim because they're the one still living with the fallout of their assault.

So someone 'reforming' is of little comfort to the victim is it?

Especially if the reformed person hasn't even faced any consequences for their crimes. I mean great that they've reformed and all but it still makes no difference to the victims. Why should they give a shit their attacker has found God?

If he truly has become a Christian, then repentance will involve facing up to what he may have done (whether that is criminal or not) and telling the truth when asked. If he slips around trying to avoid standing trial, I would be extremely pessimistic that he has genuinely given his life to Christ.

PandoraSox · 06/04/2025 16:41

nasdout · 06/04/2025 15:06

For example, since the initiative launched, it’s been claimed that the Great Reset is something that will restrict what you can eat or own

Incidentally, as a point of interest, there was an article on the WEF website which referred to a plan for cities in 2030 which involved delivery to people of things when they needed it - be it a car, cooking utensils, food - and it all being centrally organised rather than people owning their own things. It didn't say it was linked to the Great Reset though. I read it a couple of years ago. As I say, it was an article on their own website - likely to still be there.

Edited

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-idUSKBN2AP2SP/

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2025 16:50

http://archive.today/kPCYm

I hadnt heard of this Reset thing, so I googled.

The article has been removed from the WEF website. All that remains is that wee scrap, which doesn't tell us much.

nasdout · 06/04/2025 21:17

I am not sure why you linked my post, Pandora. I mentioned an article on the WEF website, but I did not assert any "stated goal"s, so your reuters fact check was not at all relevant to what I had said.

nasdout · 06/04/2025 21:22

nasdout · 06/04/2025 21:17

I am not sure why you linked my post, Pandora. I mentioned an article on the WEF website, but I did not assert any "stated goal"s, so your reuters fact check was not at all relevant to what I had said.

The article made the "dream" city sound a bit like the city in the original Logan's Run film, with Jenny Agutter! And look what happened to that, huh.

Yerdug · 06/04/2025 21:30

Only charged. Not really info if he's been bailed or where he is. Heard he was in the States now. Surely they'd be bail conditions not allowing him to travel overseas if he'd been charged in the UK?

nasdout · 06/04/2025 21:34

This is the article I mentioned (ie which I mentioned as a point of interest). I read it on the WEF website, but this is the first thing which came up when I googled for it.

medium.com/world-economic-forum/welcome-to-2030-i-own-nothing-have-no-privacy-and-life-has-never-been-better-ee2eed62f710

This might be one of the reasons why the "stated goals" thing took off @PandoraSox ? I don't know.

PandoraSox · 06/04/2025 21:49

nasdout · 06/04/2025 21:34

This is the article I mentioned (ie which I mentioned as a point of interest). I read it on the WEF website, but this is the first thing which came up when I googled for it.

medium.com/world-economic-forum/welcome-to-2030-i-own-nothing-have-no-privacy-and-life-has-never-been-better-ee2eed62f710

This might be one of the reasons why the "stated goals" thing took off @PandoraSox ? I don't know.

As stated in the Reuters link

"Danish politician Ida Auken, who wrote the prediction in question (i.e the article you have linked to) said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.” "

So it was not, as you stated "a plan for cities in 2030 which involved delivery to people of things when they needed it - be it a car, cooking utensils, food - and it all being centrally organised rather than people owning their own things". That is why I linked to the Reuters fact check to rebutt your assertion.

Btw, that article is frequently cited by conspiracy theorists as something the WEF is somehow planning to impose on us all.

qandatime · 06/04/2025 22:00

Yerdug · 06/04/2025 21:30

Only charged. Not really info if he's been bailed or where he is. Heard he was in the States now. Surely they'd be bail conditions not allowing him to travel overseas if he'd been charged in the UK?

He has been charged by the Metropolitan Police, he is expected to enter a plea on The 2nd May at Westminster Court. It would be extremely stupid of him not to attend.

nasdout · 06/04/2025 22:16

PandoraSox · 06/04/2025 21:49

As stated in the Reuters link

"Danish politician Ida Auken, who wrote the prediction in question (i.e the article you have linked to) said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.” "

So it was not, as you stated "a plan for cities in 2030 which involved delivery to people of things when they needed it - be it a car, cooking utensils, food - and it all being centrally organised rather than people owning their own things". That is why I linked to the Reuters fact check to rebutt your assertion.

Btw, that article is frequently cited by conspiracy theorists as something the WEF is somehow planning to impose on us all.

Edited

I think that what you are quoting here from the Reuters article (which I hadn't read as it wasn't relevant to what I had said) is strange, because as you can see from the heading of the WEF article I linked alone it is not a "for better or worse" description (see the key words "and life has never been better"!!)

It is probably worth that you read the WEF article I linked in full. I think it might be reasonable for WEF to accept some responsibility for the apparent confusion about what it was referring to. It comes across as a plan in the mind of the author. I think that your "rebuttal" is inappropriate.

I haven't read your Reuters article in full because i really just don't see this as something worth spending time on. I mentioned the WEF article in passing because it was something I read a couple of years ago which was on topic with what a previous poster had said. i can see this interests you though, and that is fine, but your feeling of needing to rebutt is misplaced this particular time.

PandoraSox · 06/04/2025 22:24

nasdout · 06/04/2025 22:16

I think that what you are quoting here from the Reuters article (which I hadn't read as it wasn't relevant to what I had said) is strange, because as you can see from the heading of the WEF article I linked alone it is not a "for better or worse" description (see the key words "and life has never been better"!!)

It is probably worth that you read the WEF article I linked in full. I think it might be reasonable for WEF to accept some responsibility for the apparent confusion about what it was referring to. It comes across as a plan in the mind of the author. I think that your "rebuttal" is inappropriate.

I haven't read your Reuters article in full because i really just don't see this as something worth spending time on. I mentioned the WEF article in passing because it was something I read a couple of years ago which was on topic with what a previous poster had said. i can see this interests you though, and that is fine, but your feeling of needing to rebutt is misplaced this particular time.

Edited

I haven't read your Reuters article in full because i really just don't see this as something worth spending time on

OK. Best stop there then if facts don't matter to you. Plus this is a massive derail of the thread.

nasdout · 07/04/2025 11:08

@PandoraSox with all due respect, facts obviously do matter to me as I have rebutted your rebuttal and explained why. I am simply responding to what you have said now. Below are some quotes from the article. I think that my summary of it above was reasonable and my comment was nothing to do with conspiracy theories or inaccurate facts. My advice is that you should read the article itself rather than just the Reuters commentary. There are a lot of comments underneath it which are not conspiracy theory linked either. I think that the article shows a lack of awareness of the fact that a part of being human is having free will which in this context means choice - this might be why there has been a backlash against the article - people are horrified at the idea that anyone could write idealising (and yes it does come across as mostly idealising whether that was intended or not) where there is so little choice, I think. It would be terribly destructive to mental health. If you read it, you may have other ideas about it which I would like to hear about. As an aside, i had no idea that this article was associated with conspriracy theories - could you link your sources for that? Thank you.

In relation to conspiracy theories, these mainly arise when there is a lack of education and individuals have not been taught critical thought - do you agree? Someone who is able to think for themselves and also has a pretty good base line education in relation to science, culture, maths, language, world affairs etc is unlikely to tag onto a conspiracy theory thoughtlessly. So maybe our main focus as a society is to improved education across the board.

Quotes from the article:

"Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city — or should I say, “our city”. I don’t own anything. I don’t own a car. I don’t own a house. I don’t own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys within minutes. We started transporting ourselves in a much more organized and coordinated way when public transport became easier, quicker and more convenient than the car. Now I can hardly believe that we accepted congestion and traffic jams, not to mention the air pollution from combustion engines. What were we thinking?
[...]
Shopping? I can’t really remember what that is. For most of us, it has been turned into choosing things to use. Sometimes I find this fun, and sometimes I just want the algorithm to do it for me. It knows my taste better than I do by now.
[...]
My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages.
Once in awhile I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. No where I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realised that we could do things differently."

PandoraSox · 07/04/2025 11:31

As an aside, i had no idea that this article was associated with conspriracy theories - could you link your sources for that? Thank you

This podcast looks at how it became a target for conspiracy theorists.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s2-ep-7-youll-own-nothing-and-youll-be-happy/id1592984136?i=1000640931879

nasdout · 07/04/2025 11:33

PandoraSox · 07/04/2025 11:31

As an aside, i had no idea that this article was associated with conspriracy theories - could you link your sources for that? Thank you

This podcast looks at how it became a target for conspiracy theorists.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s2-ep-7-youll-own-nothing-and-youll-be-happy/id1592984136?i=1000640931879

Thanks I appreciate the link but do you have anything written? I find podcasts (and Russell Brand for that matter) to be too slow moving, written things are much easier to fit into a busy day. Thank you!

WarriorN · 07/04/2025 16:15

Reset theory has caused some to commit suicide in the belief that they’re holding their family back.

I see it as a grift designed to unsettle people

nasdout · 08/04/2025 16:45

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2025 14:41

Here is FullFact on the "Great Reset"

The World Economic Forum website does discuss a ‘Great Reset’ many times on its website, but many claims about the plan are false and amount to a conspiracy theory.
For example, since the initiative launched, it’s been claimed that the Great Reset is something that will restrict what you can eat or own.
We previously checked a false claim that the Great Reset book talks about “useless eaters” being eliminated. The line actually came from a 1992 conspiratorial essay about a secret elite group of leaders that control the world.
More recently we’ve debunked the claim that Ukraine is enacting the Great Reset by setting up a social credit app, when the app in question does no such thing and is used to store official documents and apply for certain grants.
So while it’s true that the Great Reset is mentioned a lot on the WEF website, this isn’t evidence that it’s not the subject of a conspiracy theory, as the many false claims about it we have previously checked demonstrate.

https://fullfact.org/online/great-reset-conspiracy-theory

I was just checking the links, as I'd not heard of most of these theories about WEF, but I got taken to a Guardian article which said that FullFact, ie who provided this information, is funded by George Soros, and George Soros has been one of the central pillars of WEF for many years I thought? So this info about WEF is basically backed by one of the key players of WEF is that right?

PandoraSox · 08/04/2025 17:09

nasdout · 08/04/2025 16:45

I was just checking the links, as I'd not heard of most of these theories about WEF, but I got taken to a Guardian article which said that FullFact, ie who provided this information, is funded by George Soros, and George Soros has been one of the central pillars of WEF for many years I thought? So this info about WEF is basically backed by one of the key players of WEF is that right?

Can you link to the Guardian article please? I think I know the one you mean, but would like to be sure.

Simonjt · 23/12/2025 16:55

There are now additional charges of rape and sexual assault, he will be in magistrates court regarding these on 20th January.

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