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This has to be the worst case of abuse against a child I have read

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 15/10/2024 19:24

I am absolutely flabbergasted that this could have gone on and not one person reported it. Not the family members. Not the neighbours. Not the staff at school. This little girl had absolutely no one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13962633/note-sara-sharifs-body-court-father-confessed-killing.html?ico=article_preview_xp_mobile

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Amybelle88 · 18/10/2024 00:05

Bring back hanging.

Sunshineandrainbow · 18/10/2024 00:28

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:12

What could social services have done? Even with concerns, they can’t remove a child. It is a lengthy process. How could they have foreseen what he was going to do? Even with Marks can they just whisk her away that day?

If the abusers had SS contact them it might have made them think/worry and stop or reduce the abuse. She could still be alive. Although sadly what she went through she is actually better off dead and free from pain
Absolutely barbaric, reading about the make shift hoods made me weep to think what her life was like and how frightened she must have been, the pain must have been horrific.

leia24 · 18/10/2024 00:44

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:12

What could social services have done? Even with concerns, they can’t remove a child. It is a lengthy process. How could they have foreseen what he was going to do? Even with Marks can they just whisk her away that day?

Police can exercise their powers and remove a child which gives the local authority 72 hours to get a plan together. The LA can also apply for an emergency protection order or an emergency interim care order both allow immediately removal.

K0OLA1D · 18/10/2024 06:49

uhOhOP · 17/10/2024 22:34

People are asking where the neighbours were, why they didn't try to intervene. Maybe they came onto Mumsnet saying they're unsure what to do, whether to intervene or not, and the consensus was to "stay out of it".

I've never ever seen that be the advice on here. Ever.

historyrepeatz · 18/10/2024 07:06

@uhOhOP I don't think that would be the advice for hearing "gut wrenching screams".

Freysimo · 18/10/2024 07:09

Saschka · 17/10/2024 22:29

The next door neighbours were apparently a Mrs Spencer and a Mrs Redwin, according to the linked article. So it does not sound like the family lived in a Pakistani community who might not trust the authorities or know how to make a SS report.

Perhaps the neighbours were afraid of being accused of racism? Or SS handle these particular families with kid gloves, for same reason.

VerityUnreasonble · 18/10/2024 09:00

That 999 call handler was excellent, must be awful to receive a call like that and he stayed so calm and did his best to gather information the police and ambulance service would need.

SquatWeightaMinute · 18/10/2024 10:38

Absolutely horrific, I don’t know how the neighbours will live with themselves knowing what was going on and not reporting it.

The murderers are entirely to blame of course but someone capable of carrying out torture like that is hardly going to lose sleep over it. The neighbours on the other hand will be haunted by this forever.

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 15:49

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 22:55

The reason we don’t is because people get it wrong

I don't care about 'getting it wrong'. There's no smoke without fire when it comes to MURDERED children and I expect it'd be a tiny percentage anyway.

THERE IS JUST NO REAL DETERRENT!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974951/Teenage-babysitter-murdered-boy-freed-jail.html

She'll be free to live a long life, have her own babies! She should be burning in hell!!

Teen babysitter who tortured and murdered boy, 3, will be freed

Kayley Boleyn, then 19, and her ex-heroin addict boyfriend Christopher Taylor, 25, were jailed for life in 2010 for the horrific murder of Ryan Lovell-Hancox in Bilston, West Midlands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974951/Teenage-babysitter-murdered-boy-freed-jail.html

uhOhOP · 18/10/2024 16:15

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 15:49

I don't care about 'getting it wrong'. There's no smoke without fire when it comes to MURDERED children and I expect it'd be a tiny percentage anyway.

THERE IS JUST NO REAL DETERRENT!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974951/Teenage-babysitter-murdered-boy-freed-jail.html

She'll be free to live a long life, have her own babies! She should be burning in hell!!

You don't care about getting it wrong? You wouldn't mind if somebody was hanged for a crime they didn't commit, perhaps because you think that more often than not the right person is found guilty of the crime? You would care when it would be you or your child or your sibling or your good friend.

WhatsInTheRug · 18/10/2024 17:05

I work in a men's prison and pretty much every week someone on remand is released by the courts due to lack of evidence/wrongful arrest/etc etc

So bringing back hanging is a no from me!

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 17:20

uhOhOP · 18/10/2024 16:15

You don't care about getting it wrong? You wouldn't mind if somebody was hanged for a crime they didn't commit, perhaps because you think that more often than not the right person is found guilty of the crime? You would care when it would be you or your child or your sibling or your good friend.

No I don't care, that's why I said exactly that. Maybe its because I don't know or associate with the type of people who might be wrongly suspected of raping a baby or beating a child to death.
I'll say it again, there's no smoke without fire.

Yes, I'd hang Lucy Letby. And my own father as he was a paedophile too.

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 17:26

WhatsInTheRug · 18/10/2024 17:05

I work in a men's prison and pretty much every week someone on remand is released by the courts due to lack of evidence/wrongful arrest/etc etc

So bringing back hanging is a no from me!

Nobody is talking about executing remanded prisoners... 🙄

TheSnugHare · 18/10/2024 18:08

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 15:49

I don't care about 'getting it wrong'. There's no smoke without fire when it comes to MURDERED children and I expect it'd be a tiny percentage anyway.

THERE IS JUST NO REAL DETERRENT!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13974951/Teenage-babysitter-murdered-boy-freed-jail.html

She'll be free to live a long life, have her own babies! She should be burning in hell!!

Yeah, you would care if you were innocent and had somehow been convicted and sentenced to the death penalty for something you hadn’t done. Mistakes rarely happen but they happen.

HornyHornersPinger · 18/10/2024 18:48

TheSnugHare · 18/10/2024 18:08

Yeah, you would care if you were innocent and had somehow been convicted and sentenced to the death penalty for something you hadn’t done. Mistakes rarely happen but they happen.

No, I wouldn't. And I already explained why above..

To explain AGAIN.
I'm not talking about executing anyone on remand, or people accused of theft, drug offences blah blah blah. I'd like convicted paedophiles and child killers to face capital punishment, rather than ridiculously short, lenient sentences that are no deterrent. Or on the rare occasion the sentence is a long one, to avoid the cost to society of keeping a convicted monster fed warm etc.
The type of people who could ever be accused, rightly or wrongly, of raping or murdering a child, are not the type of people I'd ever lose sleep over.

WhatsInTheRug · 18/10/2024 19:42

Well again, they can appeal and be found innocent.... it happens. So no.

Cantalever · 18/10/2024 19:46

thomasinacat · 17/10/2024 18:41

Absolutely disgusted with the neighbours, they heard physical abuse and a child screaming and didn't report it. What is wrong with people. What a depressing state of society where people stand by and do nothing to protect an innocent child.

Is it possible they did not report because they may be of the same culture, and believe as the father said, it was OK to "legally punish" a child. I can't bear to follow this trial, so this may not be the case at all. Whoever they are, the neighbours are culpable of allowing this horror to be inflicted on this poor little girl. Shame on them1

coxesorangepippin · 18/10/2024 19:49

He is back in the UK, isn't he?? The dad??

EachandEveryone · 18/10/2024 19:53

This is one occasion where I would welcome a sharia style punishment would they do that in Pakistan? They shoot people in the Middle East for much less.

historyrepeatz · 18/10/2024 20:09

@Cantalever the neighbours quoted in the media weren't of the same culture or anything close.

Quitelikeit · 18/10/2024 20:11

These people are monsters. I do hope that they get a beating when they are locked up.

Mumistiredzzzz · 18/10/2024 20:16

How utterly horrifying 😭 poor child must have lived her life in fear and crippling pain.

localnotail · 18/10/2024 20:24

I do find it bloody frustrating - this kind of horrendous abuse goes on while people who have kids with suspicious looking birthmark are penalised and put through hell (a recent thread on here). No idea how it works.

wizzywig · 18/10/2024 20:29

I'm assuming if the father could fool a family court, he'd have had no problems fooling neighbours and social services. That poor child

wizzywig · 18/10/2024 20:30

K0OLA1D · 18/10/2024 06:49

I've never ever seen that be the advice on here. Ever.

I see it all the time unfortunately