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This has to be the worst case of abuse against a child I have read

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 15/10/2024 19:24

I am absolutely flabbergasted that this could have gone on and not one person reported it. Not the family members. Not the neighbours. Not the staff at school. This little girl had absolutely no one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13962633/note-sara-sharifs-body-court-father-confessed-killing.html?ico=article_preview_xp_mobile

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bows101 · 17/10/2024 21:02

Makes me sick thinking of what that poor beautiful little girl went through.
It's interesting they have the text messages the step mother sent, but have not posted the replies which came from her family and friends. They did obviously not believe in reporting him so there was no encouragement to the step mother.
The other kids in the house must have been terrified. Did they have any beatings and abuse or was it all on Sara?
I wish the neighbours had atleast made the call 😢 although when it comes to these communities they are very secretive about what goes on and all cover for each other so I do understand why they didn't.

timenowplease · 17/10/2024 21:05

Those details are harrowing. The details coming out from the forensics are shocking.

The other kids need to be brought back from Pakistan as a matter of urgency. Who knows what they have been subjected to and what they witnessed. They need specialist help and support, including counselling and they need to be kept safe.

StMarieforme · 17/10/2024 21:08

Thevelvelletes · 17/10/2024 18:54

I wouldn't put it on the neighbours.
I would put it on the nut who phoned police from Pakistan saying he legally punished his daughter.
He put a plastic hood on her head and beat her to death with a cricket bat
Hopefully his sorry ass gets dragged back to the UK for a whole life tariff.

Surely he is here? They are all on trial here? Blaming each other.

timenowplease · 17/10/2024 21:16

StMarieforme · 17/10/2024 21:08

Surely he is here? They are all on trial here? Blaming each other.

Yes, they are all three here.

Birdscratch · 17/10/2024 21:32

I don’t understand how she had visible injuries noted at school and she was removed from school a day later to be ‘home schooled’. That’s such a huge red flag. Can SS not require that a child is sent to school?

Goldbar · 17/10/2024 22:16

I agree. It's easy to become slightly desensitised because unfortunately so many children have been victims of abuse in high-profile cases but the level of violence in this case used against this poor girl is extreme and horrific by any standards. Just gratuitous violence and torture from start to finish. In some of the other cases, you could perhaps, if not excuse, at least see how the situation might develop due to poor living conditions, mental health issues, parental stress, inability to cope under the pressures of life, immature emotional regulation, loss of temper etc., even while your heart was breaking for the children involved. But in this case, no. It's difficult to see any explanation aside from the most horrific sadism.

I do think the neighbours are culpable to some degree, although not perhaps as much as some other people on this thread think. This case is a reminder that if you have doubts about a child's welfare, always make a report even if you think your doubts might turn out to be unfounded. It's important to remember that the neighbour's didn't see the abuse itself, they heard it, yes, but then they saw children who looked well cared for and they had the father apologising for the noise. So it may not have been clear to them exactly what was going on, especially if they weren't very bright or didn't have experience of children to distinguish between normal child noise and behaviour and signs of abuse.

username3678 · 17/10/2024 22:28

Goldbar · 17/10/2024 22:16

I agree. It's easy to become slightly desensitised because unfortunately so many children have been victims of abuse in high-profile cases but the level of violence in this case used against this poor girl is extreme and horrific by any standards. Just gratuitous violence and torture from start to finish. In some of the other cases, you could perhaps, if not excuse, at least see how the situation might develop due to poor living conditions, mental health issues, parental stress, inability to cope under the pressures of life, immature emotional regulation, loss of temper etc., even while your heart was breaking for the children involved. But in this case, no. It's difficult to see any explanation aside from the most horrific sadism.

I do think the neighbours are culpable to some degree, although not perhaps as much as some other people on this thread think. This case is a reminder that if you have doubts about a child's welfare, always make a report even if you think your doubts might turn out to be unfounded. It's important to remember that the neighbour's didn't see the abuse itself, they heard it, yes, but then they saw children who looked well cared for and they had the father apologising for the noise. So it may not have been clear to them exactly what was going on, especially if they weren't very bright or didn't have experience of children to distinguish between normal child noise and behaviour and signs of abuse.

You need to re read the article. The neighbours heard a child screaming and crying while they were being beaten. They even said they heard sounds as though someone was trapped behind a door. One of the neighbours clearly heard her being called names and abused.

You can easily make an anonymous report to social services. I've done it myself regarding a neighbour. You can also make reports to the police online if you can't be bothered to phone. You can speak to the NSPCC for advice if you're not sure what to do.

Saschka · 17/10/2024 22:29

bows101 · 17/10/2024 21:02

Makes me sick thinking of what that poor beautiful little girl went through.
It's interesting they have the text messages the step mother sent, but have not posted the replies which came from her family and friends. They did obviously not believe in reporting him so there was no encouragement to the step mother.
The other kids in the house must have been terrified. Did they have any beatings and abuse or was it all on Sara?
I wish the neighbours had atleast made the call 😢 although when it comes to these communities they are very secretive about what goes on and all cover for each other so I do understand why they didn't.

The next door neighbours were apparently a Mrs Spencer and a Mrs Redwin, according to the linked article. So it does not sound like the family lived in a Pakistani community who might not trust the authorities or know how to make a SS report.

uhOhOP · 17/10/2024 22:34

People are asking where the neighbours were, why they didn't try to intervene. Maybe they came onto Mumsnet saying they're unsure what to do, whether to intervene or not, and the consensus was to "stay out of it".

Goldbar · 17/10/2024 22:44

username3678 · 17/10/2024 22:28

You need to re read the article. The neighbours heard a child screaming and crying while they were being beaten. They even said they heard sounds as though someone was trapped behind a door. One of the neighbours clearly heard her being called names and abused.

You can easily make an anonymous report to social services. I've done it myself regarding a neighbour. You can also make reports to the police online if you can't be bothered to phone. You can speak to the NSPCC for advice if you're not sure what to do.

Personally I can't understand why they didn't report it, but the news reports also say that the neighbours saw Sara "well-dressed" and "without obvious injuries". So I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that while they may have thought something was going on, they were somewhat confused and did not comprehend the full horror of it. Not that they didn't report because they simply couldn't be bothered. One neighbour "considered it", which doesn't suggest complete indifference but more an incorrect assessment of the situation. But I agree that the message should always be if in doubt, report.

username3678 · 17/10/2024 22:48

Goldbar · 17/10/2024 22:44

Personally I can't understand why they didn't report it, but the news reports also say that the neighbours saw Sara "well-dressed" and "without obvious injuries". So I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that while they may have thought something was going on, they were somewhat confused and did not comprehend the full horror of it. Not that they didn't report because they simply couldn't be bothered. One neighbour "considered it", which doesn't suggest complete indifference but more an incorrect assessment of the situation. But I agree that the message should always be if in doubt, report.

I'm assuming that they didn't want to get involved. Many people don't. Children are neglected and killed because people either don't do their jobs properly or they don't take action.

Maybe it was racism; they simply didn't care if a brown child was beaten to death.

mathanxiety · 17/10/2024 22:48

ThursdaysMonkey · 17/10/2024 19:20

I believe the father took the mother to court and gained custody shsinst her will... I think I read that somewhere. She didn't want her to live with him. I think she was Eastetn European.

I read that too. The mum escaped the abuse and to spite her the father sued for custody (at least that is my reading of the situation).

Family courts have a lot to answer for here.

mathanxiety · 17/10/2024 22:51

Birdscratch · 17/10/2024 21:32

I don’t understand how she had visible injuries noted at school and she was removed from school a day later to be ‘home schooled’. That’s such a huge red flag. Can SS not require that a child is sent to school?

No, they can't. And school isn't the solution here. Other children have died despite being sent to school.

The question is perhaps why they couldn't follow up with a significant inquiry, or remove the child from the home for a proper medical exam (though in the case of Baby P, a medical exam took place a couple of days before he died).

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/10/2024 22:53

Another one here appalled by the neighbours who did fuck all. Channel 4 news on Tuesday night reported that the neighbours had heard smacking noises and crying and screaming. They didn’t call the police.

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 22:55

HornyHornersPinger · 17/10/2024 17:57

I'm becoming sadly desensitised from seeing these stories so frequently.
I really truly wish we had the death penalty for child killers and paedophiles.

The reason we don’t is because people get it wrong

User37482 · 17/10/2024 22:55

This, I don’t understand why courts overlook abusive behaviour towards mothers. Hardly likely to be a safe parent.

I could only skim read the articles, these people are just sick fucks tbh. It’s just horrific, I don’t understand why you would do this to a child. I really struggle to understand why you would even think to do this. Poor girl. Who the fuck makes a hood for a little girl. Hope they burn in hell.

I don’t understand how you can hear a child screaming over a period of time and not call the police.

zigzagzigzagz · 17/10/2024 23:04

I have read in other cases that neighbours had reported signs of abuse to SS and the child was still killed, so sadly it may not have made a difference.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/10/2024 23:09

WhatsInTheRug · 17/10/2024 19:01

Where was her mum in all this?

Her mother is Eastern European, and is living there. It seems probable that this was a marriage of convenience at a time when residence in the UK was ensured to EU citizens by marriage, not just UK citizens.

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:12

What could social services have done? Even with concerns, they can’t remove a child. It is a lengthy process. How could they have foreseen what he was going to do? Even with Marks can they just whisk her away that day?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/10/2024 23:12

‘Maybe it was racism; they simply didn't care if a brown child was beaten to death.’

or maybe it was like Rotherham, no one dared to report it in case they were accused of racism and discrimination.

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:14

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/10/2024 23:12

‘Maybe it was racism; they simply didn't care if a brown child was beaten to death.’

or maybe it was like Rotherham, no one dared to report it in case they were accused of racism and discrimination.

If people from certain ethnicities come from cultures where it is really common to use physical punishment, why can someone be accused of being racist?

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/10/2024 23:16

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:12

What could social services have done? Even with concerns, they can’t remove a child. It is a lengthy process. How could they have foreseen what he was going to do? Even with Marks can they just whisk her away that day?

SS can use emergency measures to remove a child.

ThreeLocusts · 17/10/2024 23:16

I once called the police, having observed a neighbour manhandle a 7ish year old child and then hearing the child scream inside his house. Nothing happened. They didn't exactly call me a busybody but gave me the impression that that was what they thought.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/10/2024 23:20

TheSnugHare · 17/10/2024 23:14

If people from certain ethnicities come from cultures where it is really common to use physical punishment, why can someone be accused of being racist?

I don’t understand your question but: the law applies to everyone, regardless of an individual’s ethnicity or cultural background. The law doesn’t recognise “cultures where it’s common to use physical punishment”.

username3678 · 17/10/2024 23:32

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/10/2024 23:12

‘Maybe it was racism; they simply didn't care if a brown child was beaten to death.’

or maybe it was like Rotherham, no one dared to report it in case they were accused of racism and discrimination.

You can report anonymously as I pointed out. No one need know you said anything.