2 tier Keir

[Rainbowsponge]

I want to make the usual caveats before I post. The rioters are without doubt far right thugs. I am not here to make excuses for them. I would happily see them locked away for years. They deserve everything that is coming to them.

What I want to see from Starmer is equal passion when it comes to other acts of terrorism or aggression.

I simply cannot get over the fact a serving soldier was stabbed 70 times outside his barracks, in front of his wife, in what is presumably a political statement and this was his response:

Sir Keir Starmer, appearing at his first Prime Minister's Questions, opened by saying: "I know the whole house will be shocked by the news that a soldier has been attacked in Kent. "Our thoughts are with him, his family and our Armed Forces who serve to keep us safe and we wish him a swift recovery."

No ‘anybody who attacks our military personnel for their occupation will regret it’. No ‘he will face the full weight of the law’. No extra money to secure barracks and protect their employees (as he has rightly done for Mosques). Just a pathetic statement akin to something you would jot in a ‘get well soon’ card.

The riots are a different kind of damage and I appreciate that but as far as I know nobody has been stabbed or is fighting for their life.

If he had cracked down hard and equally on Harehills, this thug, and the EDL knuckle draggers I feel he would have gained respect from all demographics. But he’s fast losing it because he only appears to be in his comfort zone when ‘taking on the far right’ (from his office) while ignoring the rest.

This. The awful stabbing of the soldier was a single incident related to mental health. The beyond awful tragedy in Southport was also related to mental health.
The abhorrent far right thugs have used the stabbing of innocent children as an excuse to terrorise the non-white and Muslim community of the UK and our literally burning down our towns right now. This is political and it's absolutely right that our prime minister needs to speak loudly and clearly about it being utterly unacceptable and that there will be consequences.

Your lack of understanding in this OP only helps the neo nazis on our streets by saying KS is giving a two tier response. It feeds right into their twisted beliefs that the native Britain, whatever the hell that means now, is being treated as a second class citizen in their own country. So well done.

‘What do you mean Keir Starmer should "crack down hard" on all equally?’

OP, who is increasingly sounding more and more like a Reform voter, seems to think that the police should perhaps be treating these white supremacists with some sort of leniency because they are ‘British’ whereas the non-white citizens of our country are somehow not British yet get favourable treatment somehow.

Neither DP or I are from this country, yet have never had any hassle being here and no/one has ever suggested that our U.K. born children are anything other than British. And our cultural differences, that we’ve brought with us, are mainly embraced.But I suspect that’s because we’re white westerners… and although atheists are treated with less suspicion that people of non- Christian faiths.

I don’t think it’s about ‘native Britons’.

The two tiers don’t just apply to this.

Gender critical women and TRAs - police are happy to arrest gender refuseniks and thought police them, while ignoring threats to women from TRAs

Sarah Everard’s vigil where women were aggressively thrown to the floor and arrested for ‘breaking Covid rules’ while kneeling for BLM protests a few months earlier

Rotherham - children being abused were arrested whereas their abusers were turned a blind eye to, time and time again.

Let me make it very clear I have no personal issue with kneeling for BLM. But if you think there aren’t two tiers of policing based on ‘public perception’ and ‘sensitivities’ you’re deluded. If not; have a go at justifying the above.

Oh, have a day off love.

What does any of that have to do with your OP, which was discussing a PM who’s been in power for a month?

Because they both relate to a two tier system which he is now doubling down on. I was asked for examples and I gave them.

It's not an example of this Prime Minister doing something if it's from a time when he wasn't in power. That's like me being asked for an example of a fruit that's in my fruit bowl and saying pineapple. What? It's a fruit... just not actually an example of what was suggested at all.

I think your agenda is obvious now. It’s got nothing to do with Keir Starmer really. You are suggesting white people are being treated more harshly & black & Asian people more leniently by the criminal justice system. Despite that not being the case in the criminal justice figures at all.

I think it’s obvious to see your agenda now. It’s got nothing to do with Keir Starmer really

Yep

I don’t think it is the case, I’ve read the Lammy report and have in the past on here argued against the racism of things such as stop & search. I fully acknowledge there are areas of the justice system where non white individuals are treated in a discriminatory way.

My post is about how, on a larger scale (and when it comes to the treatment of protests and political statements in particular), Starmer and the police seem to pick and choose who they condemn and how strongly based on whether they agree with the motives.

I do wonder if a lot of the anti- Keir posters are just private school parents pissed off about losing tax breaks in their fees. Seems to be a Venn diagram of ‘ enough is enough’ ‘ school fees VAT’ and ‘I hate Keir’ going on.

My child is at an ordinary state primary.

Are you stretch Armstrong because that is one hell of a reach?

One gets to recognise the same names posting on varied topics. And no, it’s not a bit of a reach to suggest that the people who voted NOT Labour solely because if VAT on fees dislike our new PM, head of the party getting rid of their tax breaks.
Where YOU send your child is irrelevant.

I’m fine with VAT. Doesn’t affect my life, although it’s a silly policy. The fact you’ve brought it up here is bizarre!

It's OK they have a deputy prime minister to hold the fort.

But you haven’t really given any evidence of Starmer picking and choosing who to condemn.

And I’m not sure there’s much evidence of the police doing so either. If you look I’m fairly sure you’ll find plenty of evidence of tactical retreats or police standing by while pelted with bricks, wheelie bins and goodness knows what else from the last few days.

But multiple posters have explained to you the difference between the recent stabbing incidents where both times the single perpetrator has been arrested and held almost immediately and are locked up waiting for court proceedings. You are conflating the official responses to these versus blanket group waves of violence and disorder that are continuing.

Someone linked up thread Starmer’s response to BLMs protests a couple of years ago. He seems pretty unequivocal when someone breaks the law in mass protests, the law will be applied to the perpetrators. As it should be.

If people don’t want to be charged with mindless acts of vandalism, assault of a police officer, arson etc I find the best course of action is not to commit them in the first place as they are never, ever justifiable.

But they turned up didn’t they? At Harehills they stayed well away until it became clear they looked utterly negligent in not intervening.

Manchester airport - another mob, battering the police, female officer with a broken nose and 2 others punched to the ground. Starmer says he ‘understands the concerns’ of the public over an officer kicking a prone man in the head (fine, no excuse for that), but where is the ‘strong condemnation, full force of the law’ comments regarding the mob? I can’t find any. He did however send the Home Secretary to meet with the Mayor of Manchester with regards to the kick.

Would he be doing that if an officer kicked a thug at one of the riots last night?

You can’t reason with stupid, as my grandpa used to say.

Or you can’t, sometimes.

If the votes are anything to go by half this website must be stupid 🧐

If we’re taking about two tier, how about we talk about the two tier rioters, who care massively, apparently, about these murders but seem far less incensed about murders and mass killings carried out by white people?

If you think there's a two tier policing system then it's one that's been inherited from the tories. It's a shame you and your ilk weren't so vocal about it during the tories time in power. If you had maybe the justice system wouldn't be on it's knees.

Still, you can only work with what you've got and given that Starmer has already refused to intervene with the outcome of the JSO trials, which were widely condemned by his 'side' we've not seen anything from him that indicates he's taking a less harsh stance with the left than he is with the right.

I'm also struggling to work out what it is you're in favour of? Do you want the police to crack down harder on the racist rioters like you suggest they did at the Sarah Everard vigil or do you want them to be more soft touch like you suggest they are with grooming gangs? Since you appear to be upset by the response to the racist riots it reads like you're in favour of soft approach for them.

@Shakeoffyourchains I wasn’t on MN then.

I think over the last 10 years, public services have been consumed by political correctness and making sure the ‘optics’ are right. In my workplace, a man (known for staring at women’s bums/breasts and making inappropriate remarks) now comes to work dressed in fetish gear and stilettos. We ‘can’t say anything’ despite feeling very uncomfortable because it wouldn’t be ‘respecting his gender identity’ and therefore we must silently tolerate it. In a similar vein, the police have no issue barging into a showering woman’s home to arrest her for gender wrongthink, but they wouldn’t arrest men abusing children in Rotherham because of the racial implications. They’re unable to fairly police as they are, in my opinion, very preoccupied with whether their methods will placate the right communities. If you’re a woman, or Jewish, tough.

Keir Starmer is a separate issue. His reaction to recent events have been disjointed to the extent you can tell he feels similarly. Officers were kicked and punched to the floor at Manchester airport, a female officer’s nose was broken, and nothing apart from ‘understanding concern’ about an officer kicking a perpetrator. And arranging for the Home Secretary to go to meet with Andy Burnham to ‘investigate’ the kick. No statement about how those attacking the officers are thugs and will face the full force of the law. Just ‘concern’ about how the perpetrators were treated.

This is the kind of bullshit that is being spread all over SM, stoking the fires. Posts by people Spreading rumours and lies and others, too thick to actually read any real news or facts.
Far more exciting just to carry on with the nonsense.
Little Englanders at their worst.
Robbing a Greggs? lush?? Looting, fighting with the police why claiming that the police are ‘protecting p@kis’?
And all the while
filming themselves and their mates doing it. What a bunch of fuckwits