2 tier Keir

[Rainbowsponge]

I want to make the usual caveats before I post. The rioters are without doubt far right thugs. I am not here to make excuses for them. I would happily see them locked away for years. They deserve everything that is coming to them.

What I want to see from Starmer is equal passion when it comes to other acts of terrorism or aggression.

I simply cannot get over the fact a serving soldier was stabbed 70 times outside his barracks, in front of his wife, in what is presumably a political statement and this was his response:

Sir Keir Starmer, appearing at his first Prime Minister's Questions, opened by saying: "I know the whole house will be shocked by the news that a soldier has been attacked in Kent. "Our thoughts are with him, his family and our Armed Forces who serve to keep us safe and we wish him a swift recovery."

No ‘anybody who attacks our military personnel for their occupation will regret it’. No ‘he will face the full weight of the law’. No extra money to secure barracks and protect their employees (as he has rightly done for Mosques). Just a pathetic statement akin to something you would jot in a ‘get well soon’ card.

The riots are a different kind of damage and I appreciate that but as far as I know nobody has been stabbed or is fighting for their life.

If he had cracked down hard and equally on Harehills, this thug, and the EDL knuckle draggers I feel he would have gained respect from all demographics. But he’s fast losing it because he only appears to be in his comfort zone when ‘taking on the far right’ (from his office) while ignoring the rest.

The pro Gaza protests inspired their own violent disorder. Officers injured, criminal damage. Many posters on here are very happy to be aligned with them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1rrzp1qwp1o.amp

Awww that’s weird as I voted Lib Dem.

‘You don’t get it do you? It’s not about public safety. ’

It’s not? These men, mostly whites rightwing men, aren’t smashing up areas, making normal people afraid to go out, attacking the police, attacking - or trying to - mosques, burning vehicles?
The GB news you’re watching must be reporting something different then.

This is honestly one of stupidest takes I've read yet. You have no idea the reason that soldier got stabbed but have decided it was probably a political statment when there's no indication of that . The event when Kier Starmer heard about it had already happened and they had arrested someone for it. The riots are ongoing. Do you want him to throw a protective ring of steel around army barracks ? Who would he call in to do that do you think? What "passion" do want him to demonstrate or you just want some performative soundbites on the Internet?

what makes you think the attacker in Kent was making a 'political' statement? it could easily have been related to some kind of mental health issue eg schizophrenia, with no 'political' motivation at all. I see that this person has already been arrested, and is in custody until 22nd August, and it seems unlikely that the rest of the soldiers at those barracks are at risk of similar attacks. What exactly do you think the Govt should do there?
YABU.
and possibly racist.

Never watched GB news in my life, not that you’ll believe me as I have no way of proving it!

‘Possibly racist’

Please post verbatim what I have said that indicates I am a racist person.

Kier Starmer was pretty tough on the rioters in 2011 when he was in charge of public prosecutions at the time and they weren't the same demographic as the current mob.

I thought this thread was going to be about the numbers of criminal men they're looking to release early from prison.

This is absolute bollocks OP. There's a vast difference between organised riots vs individual incidents. The most important thing right now for the safety of our country is to stop the riots, get participants in prison, and show that racism will not be tolerated.

By posting this you are aligning yourself with the far-right. The police have different ways of dealing with different incidents and levels of disturbance, but for literal Nazis - they come down on them like a ton of bricks. Obviously.

I’ve acknowledged that difference.

Aligning myself with the far right! Ha, ha, ha.

It well and truly has reached the point where unless you only read from a tiny and select number of approved lines, you’re ’far right’. You make yourself sound absolutely ridiculous.

The media is complicit, cowed by the threat of Levinson reforms. People sense that the media narrative is false and are getting seriously fed up. A black man attacks a British soldier in uniform and it is a mental health issue - yeah fucking right it is. The riots are symptomatic. Two tier Keir is going to preside over a huge increase of illegal immigrants (talk of joining an EU scheme and taking an extra 100,000 a year whilst returning about 5,000).

They have to make space for the EDL lot so I’m fine with them releasing men who committed non-violent offences and broadly speaking are not a risk to the public in the same way. But, I digress.

Unsurprisingly my comment was censored and removed.

You can find the vids on social media but I watched live feed.

You sound racist because you've decided that a Nigerian stabbing a soldier in uniform is a political act ie terrorism. If it had been a white person would you have thought terrorism and if not why not. We can see racist terrorists in the UK are most likely to be white men.

Him being black is irrelevant, I refuse to believe any stranger who attacks and tries to kill a serving soldier in uniform ‘just happened to stray across them’ rather than selecting them for some reason. Even if the ‘reason’ is bizarre.

This is a different incident to the terrorist murder of Lee Rigby.

The police investigation to the recent awful stabbing of a soldier is ongoing but it is believed to be mental health related not terrorist related.
https://inews.co.uk/news/soldier-seriously-injured-in-stabbing-near-army-barracks-in-kent-3186673

Again the recent appalling act in Southport doesn’t appear to be terror related but as a consequence of it non-white communities are being harassed. This awful lone wolf attack cannot be used as a rationale for racist uprisings.

So @Rainbowsponge Starmer is dealing with different issues & you are drawing parallels between different drivers for criminal acts (single person committing heinous act that has mental illness versus group racially motivated targeted actions /criminal destruction. His condemnation of these group actions of thuggery is quite right, they achieve nothing apart from creating more tension and hatred.

Would you care to provide a link to that? Many thanks.

I absolutely would, and this has happened historically, have you heard of Northern Ireland?

Here is Keir calling out the BLM protestors in 2020. I really don’t see any evidence that he is 2 tier when the situations are comparable.

Complaining that different situations are treated in different ways isn’t really suggestive of 2 tier anything. There is quite a difference between 1 off incidents and coordinated riots across the country.

What do you mean Keir Starmer should "crack down hard" on all equally?

You know he doesn't make operational decisions for the police, right? Nor does he choose whether to charge suspects, what for charge them with, whether they are convicted and what sentence they get?

He makes a statement only if it's a particularly high profile case - he isn't issuing a statement for every crime that takes place in the UK. The soldier's attacker was alone and rapidly arrested and charged. You can't say much once someone is charged with a crime - papers should not be publishing anything that might influence the trial. So you aren't going to hear very much about the soldier's attacker for several months, not because Keir Starmer doesn't care, but because that is the law and enables fair trials to take place.

If the police have identified that widespread rioting with hundreds of people is more dangerous than a single man with mental health issues and so deserving of more resources/effort, then it is right that they should focus on it and we can assume their experience means they probably know how to assess that risk appropriately. Sending hundreds of police to guard soldiers that aren't deemed to be at any significant risk just to make it "fair" with a mosque ( or a library or a Greggs or anywhere else these morons have attacked) is stupid.

Yup, OP does sound racist. And unable to process the information that the police etc. now consider the largest terrorist threat in the U.K. to be from the Far right…

No, you sound ridiculous. This dog whistle bullshit sounds exactly like Farage and his band of racists in suits. Starmer has been in power for four weeks and has dealt with everything that's happened appropriately. He is a lawyer and chooses his words very carefully - he doesn't want to inflame situations.

Of course, if you're viewing everything through the far-right racist playbook you'll see it differently. Maybe take a look at your biases.

For the sake of fact, let’s look at the most recent terrorist attacks in the UK and weigh this up:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

What I want to see from Starmer is equal passion when it comes to other acts of terrorism or aggression.

Why would violence and aggression across multiple places in the country, involving thousands of people be treated with equal passion to one single crime, involving one perpetrator and one victim?