2 tier Keir

[Rainbowsponge]

I want to make the usual caveats before I post. The rioters are without doubt far right thugs. I am not here to make excuses for them. I would happily see them locked away for years. They deserve everything that is coming to them.

What I want to see from Starmer is equal passion when it comes to other acts of terrorism or aggression.

I simply cannot get over the fact a serving soldier was stabbed 70 times outside his barracks, in front of his wife, in what is presumably a political statement and this was his response:

Sir Keir Starmer, appearing at his first Prime Minister's Questions, opened by saying: "I know the whole house will be shocked by the news that a soldier has been attacked in Kent. "Our thoughts are with him, his family and our Armed Forces who serve to keep us safe and we wish him a swift recovery."

No ‘anybody who attacks our military personnel for their occupation will regret it’. No ‘he will face the full weight of the law’. No extra money to secure barracks and protect their employees (as he has rightly done for Mosques). Just a pathetic statement akin to something you would jot in a ‘get well soon’ card.

The riots are a different kind of damage and I appreciate that but as far as I know nobody has been stabbed or is fighting for their life.

If he had cracked down hard and equally on Harehills, this thug, and the EDL knuckle draggers I feel he would have gained respect from all demographics. But he’s fast losing it because he only appears to be in his comfort zone when ‘taking on the far right’ (from his office) while ignoring the rest.

"No extra money to secure barracks and protect their employees (as he has rightly done for Mosques)."

I would hope a literal military base is already secure. What do you think they're missing?

There is a huge difference between a singular attack by one guy to the whole country going nuts though….

This is getting desperate now.

Yes it’s notable and it’s not helping the optics

Agree completely. But his occupation meant the reaction should’ve shown a bit more loyalty than ‘awww thoughts and prayers’. It was a pathetic statement.

Well given he’s reportedly about to bugger off on holiday, it’s not going to get better.

But YANBU, OP. He is two-tier kier - but he’s playing to his political support base. So he won’t change.

This.

And even if money was provided for this purpose, to announce it would send a message to the world that security at UK military bases are sub-optimal. Which could invite trouble and put personnel at more risk of harm.

If you want to talk about two tear policing then you should look at the way women who want to talk about their rights are treated compared to TRAs, that would be a reasonable comparison. Trying to compare a single act (though still horrific act) vs outright organised mass criminality is wrong and not a fair comparison

I agree completely, Starmer won’t be your friend here either.

They generally are, but Lee Rigby was targeted outside of the barracks of course.
Keirs speech pledged that he would come down hard on the thugs and rioters and so he should, but he has said nothing about listening to the concerns of the public, many which are completely valid. He needs to up his game and realise he is Leader of all the people , not just selective communities

@Rainbowsponge I am well aware of that particular fact which is why I didn't vote for him and am extremely pessimistic about our future.
Your trying to compare apples to oranges and it won't help your case

Source?

It's about perception isn't it. It clear that there is a perception of a two tier system in policing, in the government's reaction to events etc. Pro gaza protest and how they are policed, how womens rights meetings are policed and the lack of protection against sometimes violent TRAs etc.

Whether it is all true in fact or not, it's the perception that matters. I don't think that has been helped by Starmers team and the speeches they have drafted so far.

Isn't it just.

Yes, source please?!

Since Labour won the election, people on here have started policing the precise tone and language of the government.

Youre talking about two very different situations. Riots are ongoing and require the authorities to remind people that they will lose their jobs and potentially their liberty if they join in. The other is an active police investigation that includes a bereaved family.

Is calling people out for spreading Russian disinformation the same as troll hunting?

I suppose some word had to be found to rhyme with his name … but rubbish tho.

A one off stabbing with no impact on public safety or order is not going to get the same response as ongoing unrest by thugs rioting.
Nor should it.
But if you’re unhappy with a strong response to political, racist violence on our streets then that’s on you.
Personally, Indont care what colour the skin of the rioters is - they need to be dealt with. Being white & shite doesn’t get you a pass.

Then half of people are desperate if the votes on this (fairly left leaning) website are anything to go by.

It's not lost on me. Far right thugs get a PM speech on telly. Other thugs don't.

You don’t get it do you? It’s not about public safety. There’s no risk to me as a white woman from these thugs, but I want them dealt with anyway as their actions are intolerable and have a political aim. There’s no risk to me as a civilian from people who target the forces, but I want them dealt with anyway as their actions are intolerable and have a political aim.

I want to see equal passion from Keir, not a faint embarrassment by anything that ‘looks like he will be condemning a non white person’ while taking on the white far right like Winston Churchill.

But this is one isolated incident - if soldiers were being attacked all over the country I'm sure the response would be much stronger.

I note Kier Starmer also isn't saying that extra protection will be given to kids summer holiday clubs after the awful events in Southport - because this was a lone attacker in an isolated incident, so there is no indication of a further threat.
Mosques and asylum seeker accommodation are being targeted by groups of thugs all over the country so of course there needs to be a response.

Agreed. Can’t abide right wing apologists like @Rainbowsponge who are still pissed off that reform and Tories didn’t win the election.