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Why are there suddenly loads of protests?

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Newsenmum · 03/08/2024 20:36

All these awful EDL protests- why are they suddenly happening? Whats kicking them all off? One in Bristol today is scary.

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ilovesooty · 04/08/2024 13:31

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 13:29

How convenient.

I have zero doubt he is delighted with the riots but he won’t have been stupid enough to get done for incitement.

As I said, your opinion on what I said really doesn't interest me.

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 13:32

ilovesooty · 04/08/2024 13:31

As I said, your opinion on what I said really doesn't interest me.

Of course it doesn’t, because it shows you up. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you but flailing around saying there should be arrests without evidence is just silly.

EasternStandard · 04/08/2024 13:32

DuncinToffee · 04/08/2024 13:29

Where does Aus do their vetting and where do you suggest the UK does theirs?

It was earlier pp talking it the norm to vet. That’s not the case for everyone arriving here

It is in Aus as no one who arrives by irregular entry gets in

CassieMaddox · 04/08/2024 13:38

EasternStandard · 04/08/2024 13:32

It was earlier pp talking it the norm to vet. That’s not the case for everyone arriving here

It is in Aus as no one who arrives by irregular entry gets in

That's just nonsense
Aus has a problem with "irregular entry" via air and abuse of student visas.

I only know this because of your repeated misinformation about the Australian system BTW

ilovesooty · 04/08/2024 13:39

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 13:32

Of course it doesn’t, because it shows you up. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you but flailing around saying there should be arrests without evidence is just silly.

Think what you like.

Dandeliontea123 · 04/08/2024 13:40

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1931867/Keir-Starmer-holiday-riots-COBRA

It seems like he will go on holiday sometime next week.

Chris Webb, MP for Blackpool South, insisted that the PM would be “continuing to work and monitor the situation" from holiday”, and promised: “we've got an excellent Deputy Prime Minister”.*

Not sure why copy and paste is coming up in this small size?

Anyway I'm not linking to the Express and I'll take the word of Downing St over one individual MP.

Dandeliontea123 · 04/08/2024 13:41

Sorry, bold fail

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 13:42

ilovesooty · 04/08/2024 13:39

Think what you like.

I will because you’re doing nothing to disprove me. If Farage has explicitly encouraged rioting, I want to know.

EasternStandard · 04/08/2024 13:42

CassieMaddox · 04/08/2024 13:38

That's just nonsense
Aus has a problem with "irregular entry" via air and abuse of student visas.

I only know this because of your repeated misinformation about the Australian system BTW

You do realise people entering on a plane and on a student visa can have vetting rules attached?

They are not stowaways or using false documentation, they have passports and visas to enter.

So your post is more nonsense and misinformation. Repeatedly so

EasternStandard · 04/08/2024 13:44

CassieMaddox · 04/08/2024 13:38

That's just nonsense
Aus has a problem with "irregular entry" via air and abuse of student visas.

I only know this because of your repeated misinformation about the Australian system BTW

Have you tried to book a flight to Aus even?

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2024 13:48

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 13:30

I’m interested to know if those who approve of Spain refusing entry to any Brit with a criminal record (like me!) also approve of the UK doing the same? Does this just mean holidays or deportations?

Can a traveller with a criminal record apply for ETIAS?
The short answer is yes. However, depending on the severity of the crimes involved (and the accompanying sentences) a criminal record may considerably reduce an applicant's chances of securing an ETIAS or even lead to refusal.

Third country nationals, such as U.S. and UK passport holders, will require ETIAS approval before venturing into Europe after 2025 and this approval must be secured either online or via a dedicated mobile app. The process involves filling out a detailed questionnaire and supplying basic information concerning the applicant's name, address, date of birth, gender, nationality etc. But an ETIAS application form also requires details concerning a person's current state of health, existing medical conditions and previous criminal record or convictions.

ETIAS, while still strict, aims to be fairer to applicants who have fallen foul of the law. Depending on the seriousness of the crime committed, and the amount of time elapsed since conviction, it is possible for applicants to acquire an ETIAS although there may be extra steps that need to be taken and more procedures to go through.

And

Individual countries also operate their own system of assessment which may result in a refusal of entry. Germany, for example, reserves the right to refuse entry to, or deport, any visitor who has:

  1. Served a sentence of three years or more for public order offences
  2. A conviction for drug-related offences with an accompanying sentence of two or more years
  3. Been convicted for any crimes involving human trafficking
Generally speaking, visitors to Europe with the necessary ETIAS approval will not be questioned about minor offences by border officials but it can happen and it is always best to answer such questions honestly as any information supplied can be quickly checked against the ETIAS security database.

Why would the EU (Spain in particular) be keen to admit entry to people convicted of civil disorder type convictions when they have their own ongoing internal protests over the behaviour of tourists?

Its a particular offense they will be looking at.

It will also mean increasing enforcement of laws in the EU relating to anti-social behaviour in tourist hotspots. Brits who don't behave will start having their ETIAS revoked.

https://etias.com/articles/applying-for-etias-with-a-criminal-record

Applying for ETIAS with a Criminal Record

After several delays the new European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) now looks set to be launched in 2025.

https://etias.com/articles/applying-for-etias-with-a-criminal-record

EasternStandard · 04/08/2024 13:53

If someone is applying for a visa the country granting it gets to decide who to and they can limit on crime if they want to

That applies to student and travel visas for Aus

The pp is likely getting mixed up with applications for asylum after vetting or illegal stays after vetting

Eastcoastie · 04/08/2024 14:06

Notreat · 04/08/2024 09:40

Don't talk nonsense He isn't on holiday! He has addressed the nation, there was a press conference yesterday!
He and the Government are acting and commenting.

Starmer is going on holiday at the end of next week and has said he wont be cancelling it. Its not nonsense, he has asked Raynor to cover for him. It beggars belief.

Footnoteintime · 04/08/2024 14:12

PerkyMintDeer that’s pretty much my thoughts on what’s behind this.

A perfect storm of shit government, austerity, covid, war affecting price of fuel, cost of living crisis. Surprise surprise it’s all because of us immigrants. Doesn’t matter whether we were born here or came last week. It’s all our fault and we are all an easy target.

Those of us who are Jewish are all now personally responsible for the death of innocents in Gaza, whilst controlling the media and world finance in our free time. Muslims are clearly spending every free moment trying to take over the western world. Anyone who happens to be black are all toting knives etc. Every single shitty stereotype and societal Ill is our fault and laid at our door.

No GP appts - immigrants. Not enough social housing - immigrants. Crime - immigrants obviously. Couldn’t possibly be down to terrible government, selling off social housing without building more, running down the NHS, taking the soul out of education so teachers can’t wait to get the hell out and escape the masses of paperwork, bonkers curriculum and mad targets. Who do you blame when you have zero critical thinking skills, no imagination, are easily led and ill-informed and social media will feed you as much prejudice, misogyny and depravity as you want? ? Sadly its us.

PerkyMintDeer · 04/08/2024 15:23

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 08:22

I've seen the live footage of exactly what was going and at the time and location she was at (with her CHILD I might add) hundreds of people were doing the Nazi salute and policemen and women and animals were violently attacked, stabbed and glassed.

Where were police officers and animals stabbed??? That’s shocking, I haven’t seen that in any news outlet

You haven't seen any reports on the news of officers being injured? It's been reported quite literally everywhere I've seen. When the media say injured they don't mean a clip round the ear. They mean the multiple ways you can attack and harm an individual.

The specifics of my local situation with the officers, horses and dogs being glassed and stabbed/slashed (with broken bottles and whatever could be found as a weapon) were videoed and shared in our community facebook group. It was horrifying to see. Benches, signs and scaffolding planks were being launched at police as weapons.

The shopkeepers and security guards of local shops were also getting knocked down on the ground with pretty strong blows to the head and face for trying to protect their businesses. One punch like that could kill someone. They were literally just silently standing outside their shop doors/shutters, not bothering a soul, trying to ignore the mobs. Not uttering a word, then they were set on.

Meanwhile, in the same footage some bystanders were just watching with their kids, as young as 5, filming it on their phones and laughing. Some little lads around 8/9 years old were joining in throwing bottles, chairs, chanting racist and anti police statements, wearing England flags like cloaks with their dads and presumably grandfathers proudly egging them on.

I'd say it was unbelievable but having watched Trump getting shot and seeing some people directly behind not even ducking but smiling and filming the whole thing on their phone, nothing surprises me anymore.

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 15:42

I think organisers are large scale protests should have to pay for the additional policing needed to cover the event. That's what football clubs do. They pay for the extra policing.

midgetastic · 04/08/2024 16:00

And who exactly is organising these right wing riots ? How would you get them to pay?

And whilst I agree that the state of society, as caused by successive governments over a generation , has led to a significant proportion of population very angry , this timing , just after we have kicked the tories out , is very interesting- yes the previous governments have been pretty poor, but labour haven't been the government for the last 14 years

OnlyYellowRoses · 04/08/2024 16:20

We'll be taking part today in a counter protest. The racist, facist shaved head brigade are protesting immigrants in our town centre today and so lots of stand up to racisms members are staging a peaceful protest in retaliation. We want our members of society and our community who might not come from your non standard white Christian backgrounds to see that not everyone is full of hatred for them.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 04/08/2024 17:40

Rotherham this afternoon. What is wrong with these people, setting an asylum seekers' refuge alight?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-protest-police-uk-today-rotherham-bolton-lancaster-weymouth-liverpool-b2590884.html

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 19:44

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 15:42

I think organisers are large scale protests should have to pay for the additional policing needed to cover the event. That's what football clubs do. They pay for the extra policing.

Students wouldn’t have a hope of protesting fees then. Only the wealthy could protest.

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 19:51

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 04/08/2024 17:40

Rotherham this afternoon. What is wrong with these people, setting an asylum seekers' refuge alight?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-protest-police-uk-today-rotherham-bolton-lancaster-weymouth-liverpool-b2590884.html

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Yesterday they set alight a Shoe Zone and O2 phone store and a Greggs bakery had their window smashed in Hull. Mindless thugs.

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 19:52

Rainbowsponge · 04/08/2024 19:44

Students wouldn’t have a hope of protesting fees then. Only the wealthy could protest.

If the organisers paid they could get donations from those wishing to protest to pay for picking.

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 19:52

caringcarer · 04/08/2024 19:52

If the organisers paid they could get donations from those wishing to protest to pay for picking.

Policing not picking.

Newsenmum · 04/08/2024 19:52

This reminds me of the Tottenham riots years ago (which then escalated) around the country. Always the shoezone and the Greggs.

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Newsenmum · 04/08/2024 19:53

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 04/08/2024 17:40

Rotherham this afternoon. What is wrong with these people, setting an asylum seekers' refuge alight?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-protest-police-uk-today-rotherham-bolton-lancaster-weymouth-liverpool-b2590884.html

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So upsetting.

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