Humans remains found in suitcase in Bristol

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Manhunt ongoing.

A lot of bad news in the last couple of days.

Yes, I used to live in the shit hole that is Birmingham. Yes lots of blokes, trying to look hard dress like that. Lots of young makes (and even worse not so young makes) dress like wannabe gangsters. - what’s your point?

Why do you think that I’ve never been to a city? Totally bizarre!!!!! Usually when people do things like that it’s because they want to undermine what the other person is saying whilst not actually being able to argue against the point being made. In an Aristotelian perspective on logical debate it’s called ad hominem argument and is seen as a bad thing in a situation where you’re trying to make a case.

Whether murders and violent crime have reduced depends very much on your starting point. If you go back to my childhood, in the 1060s, then the increase is massive. More so if you add another decade and take the 50s as your starting point. All well within living memory.

Politicians tend of course of take a trend they see as reassuring (or which puts them in a better light). And twenty years, or whatever base-line year, can look that way.

But that's a lot shorter than people's memories, and knowledge of crime trends during their lifetimes.

Back to the point of the thread: only news this morning is that the hunt for the man who dumped the suitcases continues, and if seen people should call 999

You've made the point yourself. Loads of people who aren't in gangs dress like that, so there's nothing whatsoever to suggest he's a gang member.

Ooh it almost as if I wrote “dressed like a gangster”

“like” - a conjunction meaning - in the same way as, as if it were … etc. a preposition meaning has the same characteristics

Maybe you should consider why you are so eager to take offence?

Plenty of nasty people out there whatever the race or religion.

None of us really know what this case is about. No point in arguing.

I'm from Bristol myself and I do find it sad how bad the knife crime is there now as it was a pretty safe place to live. I grew up in some of the rough parts too and everyone looked out for each other, you'd know the one who would pinch and that was about it. The only time people got hurt was being involved in things you shouldnt. But its sadly everywhere now.

Ps My son dresses like hes stepped out of jd sports but he's certainly not doing anything dodgy and training as a youth worker you can't base what someone dresses like to assume anything.

I just hope they find this guy and soon!!

Sadly the river and the docks are dangerous, there are large sluices which run at the end of the docks to where the missing student was last seen. These could easily deposit a body into the river below, and that has a huge rise and fall (and lots of mud) so it is the case that sometimes, if someone has gone into the water, they are not found.

Thank you for being the first sensible post .. I’m not sure why everyone is being so cloak and dagger about names I hope they find Jack and any other missing persons .. and identify this poor persons remains to give the family some closure.

🙄 There are very clear images online/press.

The 1060s were a notoriously violent time, the king took an arrow to the eye ffs. Maybe the local assizes just didn't publicise their records so much? Maybe the hue & cry was localised? Maybe the CCTV was poorer quality and the police force non-existent.

Also: be sensible. Are you really basing your impression of violent crime stats on your personal childhood memories?

Lol. There’s a rather long winded (textile based) artists impression of that incident - who needs CCTV? Although be careful of accusations of Xenophobia. There’s some very pro French people on here!!!

But this is terrible. I can remember when then a local teacher was Murdered by his stepson and dismembered- absolutely awful to think someone is not just callous enough to murder someone- being so disrespectful of their body afterwards does (however irrational) make it somehow even worse

I was yesterday. I saw the comment from the family and how they didn’t think it was linked and they closed their group so there was no speculation. I think that’s why many of us didn’t want to mention jack directly.

@infor we stuck Bristol for 18 months- thought we would like it (husband from that area and we are creative industry, liberal minded ) and we were late 40s at that time. - totally hated it-constant smell of weed, dirty and scruffy, really badly lit at night- felt menacing and dodgy people off their heads all over- I realised the only bit we actually liked was Clifton and maybe the docks- but daytime only - - so we buggered off to Bath 12 miles up the road- (similar house prices too on both buying and renting) - best decision we ever made- I've been back to Bristol 4 times in the last 9 years- and that was only for specific gigs. I guess it appeals to certain people but for me I never felt safe and I hated the grubbiness

I loved living in Bristol but we lived in Clifton and worked down by the docks so were quite sheltered I guess.

I get that, but the first couple of pages are literally filled with confusing cloak and dagger mysteries

I am sure we all have thoughts
a high profile missing person. Friend of a friend of a friend
I really hope it's not the person who sprang to mind
begins with J?

But hopefully, putting Jacks name out there can be a good thing to raise awareness of him? His poor family - and all others going through similar 😞

Horrible, distressing story.

Whoever it is in those suitcases is someone's loved one. Someone's baby. What a terrible way to end up.
God love him, or her, whoever it is.

How many families are now in the grip of an agonising wait. It must be utterly sickening, utterly unbearable.

FUCK anyone who thinks they have any right to hurt someone else.

@ItsAlrightDarling yes - problem is it deteriorated in my opinion a lot

Come on, there were loads of murders after the norman invasion

Thank you to the people who have hilighted the missing young man- that one totally passed me by

In all seriousness. It's bullshit. People used to get into fights way more. Domestic violence tolerated. Men with untreated PTSD from world wars and still had a rifle in the cupboard.

Not to mention that Bristol is a city built on past violence through slavery.

Violence in daily life is way reduced from my childhood. The school yard bundle was a weekly thing when I was at school in the 80s, it makes the news now.

There are stats to show violence dropped dramatically when lead was removed from petrol.

Same as Bath and London- Those 'grand' Georgian houses built on money from Slave trade.

Terrible and harrowing. RIP.

Most of the country owes something to the slave trade.

When they banned slavery, owners were compensated by the government for the loss. The money was reinvested into other big Victorian schemes - railways, utilities infrastructure etc.

There's a David Olusoga programme on iPlayer about it. Even little old spinsters in countryside towns could 'own' a slave or two in plantations far away and got money they reinvested.

Lots of our big cities were definitely built partly with proceeds of slave trade, but it's not only them.

I hadn't heard of this before...but a brief google seems that some findings come to this conclusion.

A lot of water in UK houses was lead piping up until relatively recently.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/violent-crime-lead-poisoning-british-export#:~:text=Lead%20was%20withdrawn%20first%20from,crime%20peaks%20around%2020%20years