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Humans remains found in suitcase in Bristol

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separatedornot · 11/07/2024 16:53

Manhunt ongoing.

A lot of bad news in the last couple of days.

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itsnotagameshow · 15/07/2024 10:10

Maybe the bizarre nature of the crime is just down to the mental state of the perpetrator. It´s like a bad movie. Awful all round, especially for the victim´s families and friends.

Devonbabs · 15/07/2024 10:20

If the police have said there is no evidence that this was driven by homophobia why is it being recorded as a hate crime? Surely this messes up statistics? So if a black person is murdered it’s automatically recorded as a hate crime regardless of motive, if a trans person is murdered it’s automatically recorded as a hate crime? Guess if a woman is murdered it’s just recorded as …. Oh wait - it will only be recorderd as another murder

Willmafrockfit · 15/07/2024 10:25

perhaps they had employed him and were his boss?

RoseAndRose · 15/07/2024 10:37

The statement says that it was initially recorded as a hate crime, but this will be reviewed as and when motive becomes clearer (which suggests they don't know why he did it yet), and that they have been working with various LGBTQ+ groups (best practice). I think that's a good thing.

Bristol makes far more sense now. That weekend was the last weekend of Pride, and Paul and Albert might have been planning to travel down for that. He takes parts of the bodies (the parts most likely to yield identity on investigation?) to Bristol. Probably using their tickets, so it looks like they've travelled as planned. It also explains why he didn't think he needed to wear gloves, as he'd have a good explanation why his fingerprints would be on the case as he was a lodger/other cohabitant. And wearing gloves in July would be far more memorable to a taxi driver than just another fare. So, especially if there was a good delay in finding the suitcases (wherever he initially planned to dump them), the taxi driver might never have been traced, so prints in the cab never found.

He'd then travel back to London (paying fare in cash), risking CCTV, as there was a good chance no-one would be looking, as they'd believe Paul and Albert had travelled there themselves. He could then take his time in cleaning up the flat and disposing of other body parts in London. And eventually report them missing, a few days after they failed to return as expected.

Then it all went wrong in Bristol, and his face was captured on CCTV/cyclist's GoPro.

Yes, I know that's just a heap of speculation.

And it doesn't tell us WHY he killed them, and if he doesn't tell then that might mean it remains a mystery.

I note that the police statement includes:
"We are making thorough enquiries to establish whether there may be any linked offences in the UK or overseas but so far none have been identified. Detectives will continue to build a full picture of the circumstances, including any previous incident that may be linked in any way to this case"

BloodyHellKenAgain · 15/07/2024 11:23

CatMumSlave · 15/07/2024 09:45

@BloodyHellKenAgain

If a black person murders another black person is it recorded as a (racist) hate crime?

I doubt he murdered him / them because they were black?

and @catmumslave
That comment was when I thought if was some sort of gay love triangle and I couldn't understand why it was being recorded as a hate crime if they were all gay.
The being black/murder thing was just as example and nothing to do with the actual murder.

Normallynumb · 15/07/2024 11:40

It was recorded as a hate crime as it's classed as a homophobic attack, even if that wasn't the motive I believe

Willmafrockfit · 15/07/2024 11:41

perhaps he was their lodger

GatherYePearls · 15/07/2024 11:54

Devonbabs · 15/07/2024 10:20

If the police have said there is no evidence that this was driven by homophobia why is it being recorded as a hate crime? Surely this messes up statistics? So if a black person is murdered it’s automatically recorded as a hate crime regardless of motive, if a trans person is murdered it’s automatically recorded as a hate crime? Guess if a woman is murdered it’s just recorded as …. Oh wait - it will only be recorderd as another murder

Edited

From the article I inferred that the guidelines are to do that initially, then the "hate" element can be reviewed. As I understand it the "hate" element only impacts sentencing so plenty of time to establish the facts.

dottiehens · 15/07/2024 12:00

Wow! What a turn of events. Horrible and sad if those two poor man were killed just because of being gay. May be there is more to it like money the killer could steal from them and to keep living at the address. This is why going on a rage defending criminals because they are immigrants is silly. The fact is that many people who come here hate the liberal side of a place like London. If he killed because they were gay he is a bigot. We should be able to point that our melting pot cultures comes with this issue too. Was it a culture shocked for him to discovered he lived with gays who were previously a couple? May be more acceptable here than in Colombia? But of course killing is extreme behaviour so he may have some MH issues aside to do that. So terrible. 😞

Normallynumb · 15/07/2024 12:10

Being Gay is a protected characteristic under the equality act

RoseAndRose · 15/07/2024 12:11

Latest BBC article

Clifton Suspension Bridge: Murder charges after men's remains found in Bristol and London - BBC News

which includes a picture of Albert and Paul. The Mail also carries that picture, cropped differently, and shows Mosquera sitting next to them. The logo on the life jacket appears to be Hotel Isla del Encanto. Speculation: maybe they had met on holiday, and he had come over to visit?

Albert Alfonso and Paul Longworth

Clifton Suspension Bridge: Murder charges after men's remains found in Bristol and London

The remains of Albert Alfonso and Paul Longworth were found in suitcases in Bristol and at a London address.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2507qng3wjo

Biggleslefae · 15/07/2024 12:14

I agree with the love triangle theory although I suspect the suspect is more likely to have been 'gay for pay'. Or at least his primary motivation was to get money out of the two older men.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 15/07/2024 12:16

Biggleslefae · 15/07/2024 12:14

I agree with the love triangle theory although I suspect the suspect is more likely to have been 'gay for pay'. Or at least his primary motivation was to get money out of the two older men.

Ye, I can see what you mean and as a PP suggested maybe they met on holiday.
It's so very awful.

Choux · 15/07/2024 12:17

@RoseAndRose explanation sounds plausible. Perhaps he was the carer of the disabled man as that is a job with shortages where workers can migrate to the UK. How the murders happened I don't know - get into a rage with one and then have to kill the other to prevent them telling.

To cover it up they obviously needed to be taken from the crime scene and Bristol was a good place as they were supposed to go there anyway. But dismembering 2 bodies like that is a long way to go to cover up an accidental death while in a rage. No wonder the Met are wondering if he is a serial killer.

Biggleslefae · 15/07/2024 12:28

No wonder the Met are wondering if he is a serial killer
@Choux
Although if he were a serial killer you would think he'd be more 'professional' when it came to disposing of the evidence?
Unless most of his crimes were committed in a country where it was much easier to get away with such things?
But how to account for him not realizing that that wouldn't fly in the UK?
Furthermore, wouldn't his best bet have been to just get on a plane and go back to his home country?

Choux · 15/07/2024 12:38

Hotel Isla del encanto is indeed in Cartagena, Colombia

www.isladelencanto.com.co/en

Perhaps they swapped addresses and he turned up unannounced thinking they would be pleased but they weren't? His motive may have been to use their bank accounts to live here.

DontThinkJustDo · 15/07/2024 12:54

@RoseAndRose I think that is a very plausible suggestion to what may have happened. Along with the fact that the couple were photographed in Columbia it seems likely that that is where they met and who knows what his history is.

Choux · 15/07/2024 12:58

@Biggleslefae no one is claiming he is a SMART serial killer. Perhaps it was his first murders but doing all that to the bodies indicates some degree of brutality, panic, mental instability or something.

CatMumSlave · 15/07/2024 13:13

People believed Jay Slater was hiding somewhere and was going to pop up and take the GFM money. Now look what's happened.

No point in guessing. He could have killed them for being gay but it could have been something irrelevant. He could be mentally ill etc

RoseAndRose · 17/07/2024 15:22

He appeared today (by video) at the Old Bailey.

No application for bail was made.

Next hearing, at which he is expected to enter a plea, is scheduled for 2 October. Full trial scheduled to begin 14 April next year

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