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Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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BodenCardiganNot · 10/07/2024 13:20

Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

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IdLikeToBeAFraser · 11/07/2024 20:05

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:01

I agree that men do it more than women.

But if women do it too. If women sexually assault people aswell,

Doesn't that suggest that it is more down to the persons personality, than to their gender?

no. Not when the statistics are so stark. Basic statistical analysis.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:06

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:01

I agree that men do it more than women.

But if women do it too. If women sexually assault people aswell,

Doesn't that suggest that it is more down to the persons personality, than to their gender?

It's down to their sex, not their gender. Transmen tend to retain female socialisation and transwomen retain male socialisation.

Men are socialised whilst still boys to treat women as assets to claim and exploit instead of as people. This male entitlement drives male violence. This is women's rights 101 stuff.

RebelMoon · 11/07/2024 20:06

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Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:06

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:03

Please take this. https://psychology-tools.com/test/autism-spectrum-quotient

Your very literal interpretation of statements and failure to understand how you've upset people is the kind of thing I do on days when I'm overwhelmed and struggling to mask.

I see your extremely random suggestion. And I say no.

Maybe you should take that test Maidofale as youve said some very random things on here.

And when people don't agree with you, you want them to take an autism test.

How very weird!

If someone disagrees with you in real life ,do you say to them "here do an autism test as you disagree with me".

Youre unusual anyway!

StaunchMomma · 11/07/2024 20:07

Iwasafool · 11/07/2024 14:09

Do you mean if you have two children who are murderers?

Yes, that's what I mean.

Disturbia81 · 11/07/2024 20:09

@MaidOfAle I thought autism, with the rigid thinking. But totally separate to that a big dose of being an arsehole too.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:10

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:06

I see your extremely random suggestion. And I say no.

Maybe you should take that test Maidofale as youve said some very random things on here.

And when people don't agree with you, you want them to take an autism test.

How very weird!

If someone disagrees with you in real life ,do you say to them "here do an autism test as you disagree with me".

Youre unusual anyway!

I am already diagnosed as autistic so I don't need to take it. That's why I talked about masking and being overwhelmed. I did mention being autistic in an earlier reply to you and thought that you might have remembered.

I suggested it because your current behaviour mirrors my "bad day" behaviour in many respects.

I know I'm "unusual". Autistic women often are. I regard it as a good thing.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 11/07/2024 20:11

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:10

I am already diagnosed as autistic so I don't need to take it. That's why I talked about masking and being overwhelmed. I did mention being autistic in an earlier reply to you and thought that you might have remembered.

I suggested it because your current behaviour mirrors my "bad day" behaviour in many respects.

I know I'm "unusual". Autistic women often are. I regard it as a good thing.

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Yes, I am imagining my friend's autistic DD's arm cross, foot stamping, head tossing stubborness here.

As a sidebar, interesting test. Thank you.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:11

It said on the news there that Louise hunt posted something on social media about women who were brave to leave abusive relationships, after she broke up with him

So he must have been bad to her the whole time she was with him

It's just so sickening that he wouldn't let her leave.

HolyPeaches · 11/07/2024 20:12

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:46

Oh you told me!

Guess what. You don't control me or anyone else, total stranger.

Yep. You’re a bloke. 100%.

Nice one Kev, Kyle, whatever your name is.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:12

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:10

I am already diagnosed as autistic so I don't need to take it. That's why I talked about masking and being overwhelmed. I did mention being autistic in an earlier reply to you and thought that you might have remembered.

I suggested it because your current behaviour mirrors my "bad day" behaviour in many respects.

I know I'm "unusual". Autistic women often are. I regard it as a good thing.

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That's fine that you're diagnosed by a medical professional as autistic.

Don't attempt to diagnose strangers on the Internet.

Its weird and rude behaviour

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 20:13

Disturbia81 · 11/07/2024 20:02

@Kellyanne555 Oh bore off you pedantic twit. You're getting bogged down with unimportant corrections when you should be horrified at what men do.
You are either a man or a troll.

It's not pedantry, it's full on intellectual dishonesty. False equivalence, false conflation and extreme, but unacknowledged, bias.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:13

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:12

That's fine that you're diagnosed by a medical professional as autistic.

Don't attempt to diagnose strangers on the Internet.

Its weird and rude behaviour

I'm not making a diagnosis, I'm not qualified to. I made a suggestion in the hope that it might help you. You mentioned having difficulties with colleagues, yes? A formal diagnosis unlocks reasonable adjustments at work and helps you understand yourself better.

ExpatAl · 11/07/2024 20:17

Listen, MaidofAle has said she sometimes get overwhelmed and struggles to mask. So she is going to lock on to topics. It doesn’t mean there isn’t hurt and a damaging toxic work environment, which can give you PTSD. So everyone, take a breath, dial it down, and think of that poor man coming home to carnage, inflicted by a damaged selfish man. His brother is in prison for beating a man to death so makes you wonder what his childhood was like.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:17

Disturbia81 · 11/07/2024 20:09

@MaidOfAle I thought autism, with the rigid thinking. But totally separate to that a big dose of being an arsehole too.

Oh the bullies are out in force.

The Pattern is so utterly predictable.

I've seen it happen to other women so many times on mumsnet.

Step 1. They tell the woman that she is mentally ill or autistic.

Step 2. They call her cruel names.

I've seen it happen to loads of women on here.

Bullies are predictable in their behaviour ..

Catmoobs · 11/07/2024 20:18

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:10

I am already diagnosed as autistic so I don't need to take it. That's why I talked about masking and being overwhelmed. I did mention being autistic in an earlier reply to you and thought that you might have remembered.

I suggested it because your current behaviour mirrors my "bad day" behaviour in many respects.

I know I'm "unusual". Autistic women often are. I regard it as a good thing.

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“I know I'm "unusual". Autistic women often are. I regard it as a good thing.”

Couldn’t agree more!

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:19

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:13

I'm not making a diagnosis, I'm not qualified to. I made a suggestion in the hope that it might help you. You mentioned having difficulties with colleagues, yes? A formal diagnosis unlocks reasonable adjustments at work and helps you understand yourself better.

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Maidofale you're not even qualified to make a suggestion.

Do you not see that?

Would you go up to a colleague at your workplace and say "hey I think you should take an autism test"?

Do you think that's normal to say to people?

You are not allowed to do that to people. If you did that to someone in your work place, she would report you to HR and you would be called in and disciplined over it very quickly.
Learn what is appropriate to say to people

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 20:20

It must be interesting to live in a world where women disagreeing on the Internet agitates you more than men murdering women. And is, to you, a worse indictment upon their sex.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:21

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:17

Oh the bullies are out in force.

The Pattern is so utterly predictable.

I've seen it happen to other women so many times on mumsnet.

Step 1. They tell the woman that she is mentally ill or autistic.

Step 2. They call her cruel names.

I've seen it happen to loads of women on here.

Bullies are predictable in their behaviour ..

I would argue that asserting bad faith from someone autistic who has made a suggestion in the hope that it might ease your work life and clarified her intent on that is a form of bullying.

I have not accused you of being mentally ill. I wouldn't. I get enough of that shit myself.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:23

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:19

Maidofale you're not even qualified to make a suggestion.

Do you not see that?

Would you go up to a colleague at your workplace and say "hey I think you should take an autism test"?

Do you think that's normal to say to people?

You are not allowed to do that to people. If you did that to someone in your work place, she would report you to HR and you would be called in and disciplined over it very quickly.
Learn what is appropriate to say to people

This isn't work. I have, in conversation with a relative, suggested that her child may be autistic. There are times when it's OK to make that suggestion and times when it isn't. Work isn't one of those times.

Would you have suggested at work that three women being murdered in front of each other is better than them being murdered apart?

Learn what is appropriate to say to people

The. Irony.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 20:24

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 20:21

I would argue that asserting bad faith from someone autistic who has made a suggestion in the hope that it might ease your work life and clarified her intent on that is a form of bullying.

I have not accused you of being mentally ill. I wouldn't. I get enough of that shit myself.

It doesn't mater how you intended it.

I am telling you that you going up to a random adult and telling them they should take an autism test is rude, nasty and unwanted .

It is NOT being helpful. It would upset people when you do that.
It's extremely rude to suggest things like that to other people.

You didn't answer me. Would you go up to a colleague at work and suggest that she should do an autism test? She would tell you to get lost. That what you said is weird.

Learn boundaries

Trenched · 11/07/2024 20:26

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 17:40

It depends in what way.

The most physically damaging and brutal gender is male.

I would say that the most cruellest and emotionally damaging gender is female.

I work in a company. I'm in one team with a female boss. The other team had a male boss. The male boss is always so kind amy nice. My female boss is a tyrant, cruel and abusive. Everyone on her team including myself is applying for other jobs as we can't take her abuse

Every female boss I've ever had has been like this. I would have enjoyed so many jobs if it wasn't for the women who worked there

You're just a bloke who hates having a female boss.

I've met plenty of you.

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notathenabutcassandra · 11/07/2024 20:30

@Kellyanne555 is clearly trolling, it’s become utterly clear. I suspect he’d find it much more frustrating if we stopped responding to him. Imagine the horror of no oxygen for his flames.

Catmoobs · 11/07/2024 20:30

I feel like I’ve been transported into a fluffy neverneverland where three women being brutally murdered in front of each other is a wee bit comforting, rather than terrifying.

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