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Three woman murdered in Hertfordshire.

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BodenCardiganNot · 10/07/2024 13:20

Absolutely shocking. A 26 year old man named as Kyle Clifford, believed to be armed with a crossbow, is being sought by police.
The dead women are aged 61, 28 and 25.

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Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:23

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:21

We had moved on from talking about that murder, into a more general discussion

A general discussion about male violence, not the mean girls in the high school cheer squad, alright?

No one mentioned mean girls in a high school except you though. So you're not really making a drop of sense are you.

Go and make things up on some other thread not this one. Have some compassion for the victims

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2024 19:24

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:19

I don't think that few people care.

A lot of people have been talking about it today.

This was intended as a message of support to another user.

I have no intention of conversing with you. You have nothing to say that I'm interested in engaging with.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:25

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:07

You proved my point nicely about female cruelty. Thank you :)

People pointing out that "now isn't the time or place" for a comment aren't being cruel. You seem to interpret any form of criticism as cruelty. My mother is like that. I have to be on eggshells around her and it's really really hard to deal with.

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:27

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 17:40

It depends in what way.

The most physically damaging and brutal gender is male.

I would say that the most cruellest and emotionally damaging gender is female.

I work in a company. I'm in one team with a female boss. The other team had a male boss. The male boss is always so kind amy nice. My female boss is a tyrant, cruel and abusive. Everyone on her team including myself is applying for other jobs as we can't take her abuse

Every female boss I've ever had has been like this. I would have enjoyed so many jobs if it wasn't for the women who worked there

I would say that the most cruellest and emotionally damaging gender is female.

Would you indeed, Kellyanne. How interesting.

Still, I think most of us would rather live in a world where unspecified emotional damage and crap bosses affected us as much as triple murders and multiple weekly murders. What world are you in?

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:28

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:23

No one mentioned mean girls in a high school except you though. So you're not really making a drop of sense are you.

Go and make things up on some other thread not this one. Have some compassion for the victims

It was a metaphor. I was using the trope of high school cheerleaders being the definition of mean girls in any US teen movie to refer to all catty women.

Have some compassion for the victims

Did you read your own first post on this thread? Stating, and I paraphrase, "at least they died together, it could have been worse" and then doubling down when people carefully explained to you that them being together was part of the means of torture is the opposite of compassion for the victims.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:29

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2024 19:24

This was intended as a message of support to another user.

I have no intention of conversing with you. You have nothing to say that I'm interested in engaging with.

Brilliant! Because I feel exactly the same about you.

Bye.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:32

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:28

It was a metaphor. I was using the trope of high school cheerleaders being the definition of mean girls in any US teen movie to refer to all catty women.

Have some compassion for the victims

Did you read your own first post on this thread? Stating, and I paraphrase, "at least they died together, it could have been worse" and then doubling down when people carefully explained to you that them being together was part of the means of torture is the opposite of compassion for the victims.

Edited

I didnt say the words "it could have been worse".

And I know what i mean and i stand by what I said. I don't feel i should change that.

What did happened is I then left the thread because of bullies on here.

And I thought to myself, I'm going to come back and not let mean bully girls bully me off this thread

And I won't let anyone bully me off. I'm going to stand up for myself this time

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:32

I can't help but notice the pattern, here and elsewhere, of posters with double female names whose sole purpose seems to be to minimise male violence and magnify female crimes, or unspecified low level female behaviour, as if they were equal or worse.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:33

SerafinasGoose · 11/07/2024 19:15

I'm so sorry, @MaidOfAle. I have the same condition (cPTSD) and it has the same cause. It's one of the reasons why I find stories like this so affecting, and it devastates me (not too strong a word) when so few people care that yet another woman's life has been taken by a man who thought he had the ultimate right to control her. At least threads like these are ones in which women can unanimously express our rage and helplessness in the face of these situations.

For me it took 18 months' work in EMDR therapy to unpick it all, but it's been a game-changer. It really has changed my life.

I hope you're doing okay.

Edited

Thanks for the tip. I've never heard of EMDR and will look it up.

Of course, ideally we wouldn't need these therapies. And of course, men inflict these crimes but we end up paying 💸💸💸 for the therapy to let us face the world again.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:33

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:27

I would say that the most cruellest and emotionally damaging gender is female.

Would you indeed, Kellyanne. How interesting.

Still, I think most of us would rather live in a world where unspecified emotional damage and crap bosses affected us as much as triple murders and multiple weekly murders. What world are you in?

Defensive women don't like to hear anything bad about women, do they.

I was replying to the discussion a few pages ago, where a poster said something like "being a woman doesn't mean you are not bad".

I contributed and added to that discussion.

You are able to go back and READ yes?

You are able to see that another posted first yes.

Yet it is me that gets piled on and picked on again.

Bully girls out in force on this thread.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:34

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:32

I didnt say the words "it could have been worse".

And I know what i mean and i stand by what I said. I don't feel i should change that.

What did happened is I then left the thread because of bullies on here.

And I thought to myself, I'm going to come back and not let mean bully girls bully me off this thread

And I won't let anyone bully me off. I'm going to stand up for myself this time

As I said, you interpret any criticism of you as cruelty and bullying when it isn't.

I've been bullied. I know the difference.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:34

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:33

Thanks for the tip. I've never heard of EMDR and will look it up.

Of course, ideally we wouldn't need these therapies. And of course, men inflict these crimes but we end up paying 💸💸💸 for the therapy to let us face the world again.

I also hope that you are doing okay

paywalled · 11/07/2024 19:36

The MRA sure do love picking hyphenated first names for their MN pseudonyms.

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:36

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:33

Defensive women don't like to hear anything bad about women, do they.

I was replying to the discussion a few pages ago, where a poster said something like "being a woman doesn't mean you are not bad".

I contributed and added to that discussion.

You are able to go back and READ yes?

You are able to see that another posted first yes.

Yet it is me that gets piled on and picked on again.

Bully girls out in force on this thread.

Ok, Kellyanne.

Kinshipug · 11/07/2024 19:36

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:33

Defensive women don't like to hear anything bad about women, do they.

I was replying to the discussion a few pages ago, where a poster said something like "being a woman doesn't mean you are not bad".

I contributed and added to that discussion.

You are able to go back and READ yes?

You are able to see that another posted first yes.

Yet it is me that gets piled on and picked on again.

Bully girls out in force on this thread.

Have you ever taken a step back to work out who the common denominator is in all these negative interactions with women?

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:37

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:34

As I said, you interpret any criticism of you as cruelty and bullying when it isn't.

I've been bullied. I know the difference.

You don't really get to interpret how other people feel bullied though.

Alot of women report that they feel bullied on mumset. There have been multiple threads about it.

I don't think I would write a post to then saying "you haven't been bullied, I would know".

See that I wrote something kind to you in my last post.

And you wrote something nasty to me.

I wish i hadn't wrote my kind post now

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:37

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:33

Defensive women don't like to hear anything bad about women, do they.

I was replying to the discussion a few pages ago, where a poster said something like "being a woman doesn't mean you are not bad".

I contributed and added to that discussion.

You are able to go back and READ yes?

You are able to see that another posted first yes.

Yet it is me that gets piled on and picked on again.

Bully girls out in force on this thread.

You frame disagreement as bullying. It's not.

It's also nowhere near comparable to male violence. I'd rather far be told I'm wrong on Mumsnet than be sexually assaulted again. Guess which sex does the sexually assaulting?

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:37

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:37

You frame disagreement as bullying. It's not.

It's also nowhere near comparable to male violence. I'd rather far be told I'm wrong on Mumsnet than be sexually assaulted again. Guess which sex does the sexually assaulting?

Kellyanne knows.

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:38

Kinshipug · 11/07/2024 19:36

Have you ever taken a step back to work out who the common denominator is in all these negative interactions with women?

Oh being cruel there are you?

How funny that you are trying to say that women are not cruel....by being cruel yourself.

Good one.

Try to write something nice.

Go on. Dig deep . You can do it

paywalled · 11/07/2024 19:38

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:37

Kellyanne knows.

Kellyanne is enjoying this. I woulsn't give her more supply.

Kinshipug · 11/07/2024 19:39

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:38

Oh being cruel there are you?

How funny that you are trying to say that women are not cruel....by being cruel yourself.

Good one.

Try to write something nice.

Go on. Dig deep . You can do it

Is that more or less cruel than being tied up and shot with a crossbow?

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:39

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:37

You frame disagreement as bullying. It's not.

It's also nowhere near comparable to male violence. I'd rather far be told I'm wrong on Mumsnet than be sexually assaulted again. Guess which sex does the sexually assaulting?

Both sexes do sexually assaulting as you well know.

Plenty of female teachers have been locked up for being paedophiles.

NonPlayerCharacter · 11/07/2024 19:40

paywalled · 11/07/2024 19:38

Kellyanne is enjoying this. I woulsn't give her more supply.

Kellyanne feels more victimised by hearing women speak online or being senior at work than by multiple murders of women by men.

MaidOfAle · 11/07/2024 19:40

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:37

You don't really get to interpret how other people feel bullied though.

Alot of women report that they feel bullied on mumset. There have been multiple threads about it.

I don't think I would write a post to then saying "you haven't been bullied, I would know".

See that I wrote something kind to you in my last post.

And you wrote something nasty to me.

I wish i hadn't wrote my kind post now

Edited

Thank you for your kind post.

I don't appreciate you performatively trying to weaponise it to guilt trip me though.

It's a behaviour I associate with men, who think that women are vending machines that they can put a performance of niceness into and sex will be dispensed and will guilt-trip when sex isn't forthcoming. It's a behaviour documented in "The Boiler" by The Specials.

HolyPeaches · 11/07/2024 19:41

Kellyanne555 · 11/07/2024 19:10

The thread had moved on to gender and talked about gender and violence.

We were having a general discussion.

What on earth has that got to do with not having empathy for the victims.

Youre not making any sense.

Ah yes, a general discussion, on a thread that is about 3 defenceless women being murdered in their own home with a brutal weapon. Concluding that male violence against women is a real problem in this country and globally…

And you think it’s okay to spout the absolute nonsense of “women can be more emotionally cruel”. Like that’s a fucking helpful statement.

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