Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn to be deserted by same parents

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5115e7k2eno

The DNA would easily show that- Surely they would have mentioned it if the parents were closely related?

perhaps they have and we are not privy to all the information.

Further to my post to you, @oakleaffy It is a well documented fact that there are men out there who start or ramp up abuse of a woman during pregnancy or after the baby is born.

These men are aware in a cognitive sense of the fact that the woman is pregnant with their own child, or has just given birth to that child. Yet the feeling of obligation to protect and support the woman isn't there. Instead a monstrous selfishness takes over.

How dare the woman's family and friends pay attention to the woman, how dare midwives and doctors pay attention to her, how dare she show love or attention to the baby!

Men with certain Cluster B personality disorders cannot bear it when their female partner pays attention to anything but them.

What utter nonsense

What names do you think if they were 100% (not that this exists) Nigerian, they should have been given

What names do you think, if they were 100% Costa Rican, should they have been given

You're embarrassing yourself

Names are often used temporarily by police/hospitals etc, but even if they are not, you do realise that families use all sorts of names. Adopters can change names on adoption, some do, some dont

3 babies abandoned to be possibly left to die and you're worried about being culturally sensitive?
Jesus christ 🙄

Apologies, that was a typo. I meant 16.

One assumes the phone calls were made on the lead up to labour, not after birth.

I really hope the media push to have this link publicised doesn’t put any future babies, or the mother, in further danger going forward.

Or hinder any police search into finding her.

I expect the mother is probably already pregnant again, the fact the baby was abandoned around an hour after birth tells me it’s not likely it was the mother who left her there. I gave birth alone with no pain relief, it was a pretty quick delivery and took around an hour for the placenta to come out, but I would not have had the strength or energy to get up and go outside. I had to be wheeled to the ambulance when it eventually arrived and I was bleeding everywhere, I think that a woman in that state would’ve been noticed in the park.

We don’t need baby boxes in this country, there’s nothing stopping anyone leaving a baby on a doorstep, fire station, hospital or handing them to a stranger in the street and refusing to give their name.

I knew someone who adopted a little boy as a baby and was refused permission to change his name as it was ‘part of his history’ she just waited until the adoption went through and changed it anyway, to be fair the name given to him by his birth parents was awful (and I don’t mean not to my taste, I mean it wasn’t a proper name and it was just stupid)

Yes they were - I don't know the outcome (and the inquest had shown the baby was stillborn rather than killed after the birth) but the police were called and informed (was well over a decade ago)

the older two names have been changed.

someone I know ended up with several kids after adopting one. Got all the siblings.

Yes, this is what happens when people have been banging on the door for years and years about needing 'transparency' in the family courts. These are private family matters, albeit dealt with under public law. The balance is on privacy for me but lots of people, including many on this thread no doubt think that family courts should be open and reportable.

And just as an aside, Ive had an abandoned baby, its incredibly rare but from experience and from knowledge of other LAs where this happens, there it is extremely likely that the authorities know who the family are and have known who they are previously, even if they cant prove it.

I worry that all of this publicity is going to put the mother in danger, hopefully the reverse actually happens and she can be found and cared for.

I can’t help wondering whether there have been more babies abandoned by the same parents and the ones found alive were the lucky ones.

This was what went through my head, and the fact that this little girl was abandoned an hour after she was born. many women can hardly stand up an hour after giving birth in a hospital let alone after delivering a child in secret. I can't imagine getting up, getting dressed and walking down the road with my new born infant while sore and bleeding, then leaving that baby and walking home . I wonder if some poor woman is trapped somewhere with someone appalling

The BBC wouldn't necessarily mention that in their coverage, though, would they? It's confidential.

Same here.

Theres lots of information that wont have been disclosed such as SW or police officers intelligence about who they think it might be, or what community

Also the term 'black' can be misleading in that this may mean politically black and not African or Caribbean black ethnicity.

The press will have been very restricted under what they can report, despite being able to report. (I dont agree with family courts being open to reporting in any case, these are children's private matters)

In a professional capacity, i knew of a family where the daughter was being abused by her father and her father's friends.
She was out of school a lot and used to pee herself when there.
When police finally found out she was under 14 and they saw she'd given birth twice. In interviews she said her father had taken the babies straight away from her.
I'm not clear as to whether they were ever found, but I remember some suggestion they went into the river.

This could be something very similar, at least the babies are allowed to live I suppose.

Im afraid there are numerous women in what they think are 'relationships' with direct family members, brothers, dads, uncles. So the relationship as they see it is long term and valued by them, you cant break the cycle with them because they wont engage and work with you.

Obviously that might be happening here or it could be something where the mum is actively trying to get away, who knows.

Newham is still about 20% black

There really isn't. In the UK abandoning a baby is vanishingly rare.

Not sure why you’re blaming the Catholic Church in this case? Sure, they have a hell of a lot to answer for, including how so many babies from unmarried mothers somehow died, but this was a Protestant mother, Catholic married father having an affair. Do you mean because divorce/abortion is so frowned upon in Ireland?

I too know the area well, I loved on Roman road up until 5 years ago and my father still lives on the road,.I grew up there from childhood, the area is very diverse with a big mix of eastern European, Nigerian, Muslim, Bengali, white English (yes really, in fact on my father's road there are at least 9 or 10 houses where he knows the owners who are all older white English who hwve lived there for decades). It's a huge mix of races and religions as well as ages, there is a secondary school at the end of the road where two babies were found (Brampton Manor).

Whoever she is and whatever led her to these awful situations, I hope she gets the help she needs - whether it's abuse, addiction, homelessness, mental illness, a combination of these things. I hope she gets that help before it happens again. Poor woman, poor children.