Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn to be deserted by same parents

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5115e7k2eno

People asking why no one would have noticed her being pregnant; well I worked with a woman who had two concealed pregnancies. One of them I saw her a couple of days before she gave birth. Her own sister saw her the day she went into labour and didn’t realise. With the second no one had a clue until she was 36 weeks.

She claimed both times that she didn’t know. I don’t know if that is true or not.

Thank you, I think you are the first PP to articulate that women can be responsible for awful choices too.

The only lead I think was a woman in a dark coat and rucksack nearby when Elsa was left. But might not be anything to do with it.
The only other thought I’d have is perhaps a woman with a serious disability/limited mental capacity cared for at home being abused by a family member.

Women can make awful choices, and we know people on this site would defend just about anything.

But there's no reason to jump to conclusions here.

First assumption is bad situation. Opinions can change later.

The recent baby was estimated to be possibly an hour old when it was found. That to me indicates it wasn't just the mother involved in the abandonment and you have got to wonder to what extent she had any control over the abandonment or I deed the conception.

There are multiple shades of grey in situations of pregnancy and partner abuse.

'Choice' isn't a word that applies in the lives of some women.

That’s awful I’m so sorry you went through that and were at least able to access some kind of health care at the time

Exactly. I just wish they could catch them on cctv or cameras on various things because the amour of crimes solved by this now is huge. I watched a tv doc about the Met a while ago and they said most crime is solved this way now. And all of the crimes featured stuff was showing up on cctv or dash cams, bus footage etc

Not the main point here, but are you saying Catholicism has no place in the UK?

A Fritzl type scenario was my first thought.

Not read the thread, but there's a reason that the mum is having multiple unwanted babies and not birth control and its with the same man I can't imagine a good reason for that. Who would prefer to give birth than get a coil fitted? Or use condoms, the pill.

sorry if this has been asked but does the UK police work with other country's DNA database with cases like this?

Could have been the result of incest

I know this part London well. It's actually not that diverse, being overwhlemingly Bengali Muslim. If we know parents are of Nigerian origin (do we, the article says black?) it's not quite a needle in a haystack situation.

I suspect it's addiction-related, sadly.

Then read the thread. This has been addressed several times.

You've just made that up, it's nowhere near 60, sometimes it's none. 16 on average.

It could be an abusive situation. It could be someone with LD. It could be someone having an affair with a married man, which might explain why all the babies were born outside of COVID. It could be many different things. It is not helpful to make up stories to explain this. All it will do is make things harder for the woman to seek help if she needs it.

One really wonders about the basic 'intelligence' of the abandoning parents..They clearly have no wish for children, of either gender {It's not just girls abandoned, as was the case in some societies}
The parents could easily have used contraception or had an early termination, but instead they choose to have three babies-and abandon them all.

Capable of having penetrative sex, but incapable of using a condom, or having a vasectomy?

Horrible.

There was a case where I worked years ago where a newborn's body was discovered in a bag and they didn't know who the mother was

Year later someone turned up at the local hospital in labour, with out having had any antenatal care, her mother turned up the just after the birth saying 'you aren't bringing it home, you should have let me handle it like last time' - fairly confident it wasn't the mother who abandoned the first baby

If so the babies would be showing severe abstinence syndrome, and would be mentioned by the doctors- the baby would probably test positive for the drug/s as most cross the placenta.

If the mother was an alcoholic, the children could also show signs of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Are you honestly telling us that you can't imagine any other situation that would result in 3 abandoned children?
I wish I was that naive!

I hope the Police were called..if the Grandmother was killing the unwanted infants as they were born.

Hopefully the DNA in these three abandoned children don't show incest - The mother is clearly not seeking any ante~natal care for whatever reason.

A man unless he was incredibly dense would know that penetrative sex without contraception =pregnancy, especially as this is now the third abandoned baby .

He would surely realise how babies are made by now.

I can imagine a certain type of man who would be interested is forcing a woman to bear a baby all through pregnancy, then give birth (probably unassisted) and then take that baby from her.

Abuse is about power. Not intelligence, and not any consideration of the victim.

It is not a rational form of behaviour. It comes from a place of evil.