Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn to be deserted by same parents

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5115e7k2eno

The mother is probably trapped in an abusive situation

That’s one possibility but there’s many others.
I don’t think we will ever know.

I hope they are looking for that poor mother. Who knows what is happening to her. Hopefully there’s some way to trace her / the father and work out if she’s vulnerable

That’s so sad.

I linked the same article to the thread about this at the time Elsa was found.

It's here, if anyone is interested

Leaving a newborn in a shopping bag. | Mumsnet

Is there not a safe way to ‘abandon’ a child? Seems really remiss to not be able to take them to a fire station / hospital no questions asked so there’s no risk to the baby.

I hope the mother is found and they’re able to help her.

I would also worry about abuse. The fact they have decided to report this I find interesting. I wonder if there’s a way of finding out who the parents are likely to be now using DNA/ancestry type software. I expect the answer is yes there is.

And DNA testing them at all, this is giving me a really bad feeling about the mother

After a bit of AS-ing, here's a thread from when Baby Roman was abandoned

When police say they are 'concerned' for mothers who abandon babies do they want to prosecute them? | Mumsnet

I can't find one for the first baby

I wonder if dna will show close familial relationship between mother and father

My guess would be abused woman as well.

I have no other information than what's out there, only speculation

It says a lot that no one has come forward after noticing a women they may know / be aware of has been pregnant three times but no children living with her.

Poor children, but maybe they could be adopted together or the adoptive families allow contact so that they would retain a sibling link.
The DM must be in a truly desperate situation to give up her three DC in that way.

That most recent news story says the older ones have already been adopted, but that they are looking at ways of kepeing the three siblings in touch as they get older. I can see that if you were offered the chance to adopt one baby, you wouldn't even consider that other siblings would appear further down the line, so they can't be kept together as a family group.

The first two have already been adopted.

There's no word on whether they are together - nor whether the current adopter/s are able to have more DC - the court has only permitted limited information to be published, and the children's privacy is paramount.

It does make one think of cases where a woman has been held captive for years or decades. And all sorts of other horrible situations.

At least the children are safe.

Adopters are often approached about siblings.

The article says that they are with separate families but will grow up knowing they are full siblings and that there are plans for them to have contact

Whoever actually left the babies where they were found appears to have little concern for their survival as they were left outside in freezing temperatures.
I saw a television programme a while ago (think it was part of Davina Mc Call’s long lost family?) about two adult siblings in Ireland who had been abandoned as babies and through dna found each other at the ages of 50ish via this programme. They had no idea they had a brother or sister until this happened. Both babies had been left well wrapped up and put in telephone boxes. The programme was able to trace the birth parents who were dead by that time. It turned out the mother was protestant and the father a catholic older married man. They had a long running affair and the babies were the result. Obviously the situation in Ireland decades ago was very difficult for people because of the church and division. I believe the parents had watched the phone box from a distance until the babies were found.

Why are folks assuming abuse. This could be anything, from a woman who struggles with alcohol and doesn’t wish kids, to someone with learning difficulties, to even a couple who are homeless.

@Blackcats7 if the mother happened to go into labour on a cold night, she'd have had limited options in terms of where to leave the baby. Phone boxes are no longer frequently used as they were in your example. The youngest baby was left in a frequently used thoroughfare to ensure she'd be found quickly. without knowing the mother's situation, it's perhaps harsh to judge her for not having clothes or blankets for the baby. This would seem to be a particularly extreme situation for the mother.

What happened to the "baby boxes"? I thought they'd introduced them along the lines of the ones Germany (is it Germany?) has.

The relationship is stable enough to have the same dad for eaxh child, over a period of time. Yet she’s desperate enough to abandon the children, and not through normal channels. Not birthed in hospital, no prenatal care. No services involved.

That’s not a normal situation and it’s unreasonable to consider abuse as one potential reason for it.

It’s extreme circumstances so obviously the authorities need to consider worst case scenario first (eg abuse or a captive mother) and then rule out things in order of severity

I understand where you're coming from but, with respect, I don't agree.

First, Elsa was wrapped in a towel and inside a bag, not just left on the floor with no protection at all.

Second, we have no way of knowing whether someone did watch the place she was left for a while until she was picked up (like the parents in your example).

Third, the article says that Elsa was only about an hour old when she was found. Perhaps the person who left her in that spot did so knowing that it was busy with dog-walkers or other people and that she'd be found quickly.

I'm not saying the person who abandoned Elsa particularly cares/d about her or her siblings. At all. Unlike other MNers, my instinct is that this isn't a desperate mother in a dire abusive situation. My gut feeling is that Elsa has been taken from her mother and left in the park by her biological father.

There was a similar case documented on Long lost families once - turned out nothing to do with abuse and everything to do with the two adults involved having an affair which spanned decades

In this day and age of availability of contraception there really is no excuse