Bournemouth incident

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Not sure what on earth has happened??

Awful news 💐

Yes me too. I'd imagined some speed boat. If the tour boat was involved it sounds like a huge accident . I think? Negligence maybe?

The driver of a boat that size is bound to have training and suitable licence. So should know to stay a safe distance from swimmers.

Like this captain, should have known the same

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster

Accidents, mechanical failure, does happen and I'm hoping for the families sake that it was a genuine accident, even if its negligence.
That has to be marginally easier to come to terms with than someone deliberately doing something dangerously stupid like stering it too close to the swimmers to frighten them.

I am not sure how a "rip tide" can be formed in an open bay as B'mouth is? Tidal flow is not very fast there.
The only constraints to the tide are the posts that support the pier.
Is it the boat skipper 'helping police with their enquiries'?

It's clearly more than a riptide for them to have arrested someone to investigate possible manslaughter.

There have been many tragic cases in the past of people drowning due to rip tides and I've never known a situation like this where someone is immediately arrested

Presumably he is the skipper on the boat that's been impounded? Vessel's like that can cause quite a bit of havoc if they're around swimmers, it did sound when they first reported that it was something purposefully sinister but perhaps not. I guess they'll report it if and when they can.

Rip tides can occur in almost any body of water. They’re so common and so deadly but we’re not taught about them in the UK.

Rip tides and rip currents are not the same thing.

https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/the-differences-between-rip-currents-undertows-and-rip-tides/amp

Hate to speculate but I wouldn't be surprised if the impounded boat was giving off some kind of toxic exhaust fumes. According to the Bournemouth Echo the boat arrived at the pier shortly before the incident.

redspottedmug you clearly don't hate to speculate

Bournemouth resident here. It was a tragic accident. Rip tide. Lifeguards warned not to swim by pier. But it’s so easy to drift to that area even if you didn’t mean to. Sad accident. Keep away from piers and groynes and teach your children and family members what to do in a rip tide which is don’t try to swim against it. Lay on back and let it drift you out a bit then swim parallel to the shore until you feel a release and then swim back in. And to remember that the sea looks inviting but can be dangerous.

we are all in mourning in Bournemouth :-(

@NeverForgetYourDreams We don't know that yet. Dorset police have said this morning that they are still investigating and that those involved will be the first to have answers when they get them...

And the boat possibly involved is still impounded.

It’s impounded for one reason we know at least in that it didn’t have a licence currently to operate in BCP area. Odd no one has picked that up before this incident. Poor council as usual

one of the survivors said it was a rip tide. No boat involved. I just hope this is true because then it’s a tragic accident and not any human input.

the lifeguards are traumatised. They are young people themselves. They warned of the rip tide just before but I doubt those in the water réaliséd the impact of that if they even heard it.

emergency response was amazing though. Credit to them all

those videoing it should be ashamed of themselves

It really is too early to be making statements as to what has happened - we really aren't in that position yet. The Dorset Echo says BCP don't issue licenses to a vessel of that size - it is the Maritime Coastal Agency. There's other evidence it was by the pier at the time of the incident. So it is quite possibly related. The key is we don't know yet.

The police report today states -

"This is a complex investigation involving a number of agencies including the Coroner’s Office, the Marine Accident Investigation Branch, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency and Dorset Police. These agencies are working together at pace to investigate what happened that day and they must be given the time and space needed to do that fully, thoroughly, professionally and without hinderance.
"The veracity of any statement made by those investigating this incident must be beyond reproach and I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the victims and their family’s needs are paramount – they deserve to be first to have the answers to the myriad of questions they must have and to be given the time to process what happened at the beach that day.
"Please could I ask everyone to respect the work of the investigation teams involved and respect the victims and their grieving families and friends.
"Let the investigations proceed and statements issued when the full facts are known."

I don't think its on to state what happened when that hasn't been determined yet.

The echo is useless publication. I certainly wouldn’t be taking anything they say as gospel

fact is no one knows yet but it’s ‘likely’ to be a rip tide whether or not exacerbated by a boats wash we don’t know

all we do know is two children lost their lives on a lovely half term day by the sea. Whatever the cause it’s just awful. Beyond comprehension.

Have all the injured fully recovered?

Not convinced a boat's sway could contribute to a rip tide.

Riptide isn't the correct terminology but a boats "wake and wash" can create "currents challenging for strong swimmers". So the Internet tells me when I went down that rabbit hole. It could be that that the dad is referring to? I don't know if a boat can create that when not travelling at speed though, is next to the pier?

I think swimming around the pier itself is dangerous too.

The maritine investigation branch are involved. And their remit is vessels at sea. So it's obviously an area of investigation. It could be that they're just ruling it out but they haven't yet?

Ultimately we just don't know do we until they finish the investigation. I imagine these things take a long time?

I do think people locally want to know as they want to know if its safe.

The wake of a boat is the most likely explanation although I was picturing a much smaller speedboat or jetski not a huge pleasure boat.

The things they will be investigating is the combination of factors, people in the water, tides, positioning of bhoys, where the boat was in relation to its normal route etc

I'd like to see the digital billboards used more for safety campaigns and digital billboards placed in busy tourist areas offering safety advice with audio for the dangers of that area.

You just said you know the cause, now you don’t. Please don’t make stuff up.

Haven’t made anything up. Drowning was the cause. Probably rip tide. That’s what the statement today says. So it’s what most of us here thought. Tragic accident

Boat now exonerated, and rip tide thought likely.

No criminal offences were committed in Bournemouth beach tragedy which saw girl and boy drown | Daily Mail Online

It seems a bit unfair for the boat operator to have now lost their business.