Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

Looks like that’s the law
In accordance with international law
as @MarshaBradyo stated we don’t have all the evidence, the courts do and thankfully it’s up to the courts and the law.

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noone is dumping her in a random country. She went to fight for Isis - she’s in a Syrian camp

in her interview with itv in 2019, she reads out the decision. she does apologise for her actions or even acknowledge that she did anything wrong or even mention she was groomed

She does however apologise to her family, thinks the decision was unjust and that she and her son didn’t want to be in the refugee camp.

Thats her own words- anything different now would be from pr

being groomed for sexual exploitation vs going abroad to me are very different things

In what way? The girls in the Rochdale case were running away, lying, and ignoring their parents/carers attempts to protect them to go to their abusers - because they had been groomed.

Sadly, because that was not recognised at the time they were seen as 'asking for it' and 'choosing to have older boyfriends' for years before the authorities finally recognised that grooming is manipulation that gets the victim to seem to consent - even want - the abuse.

How do you feel about the Manchester bombing s??

The Manchester bombing was appalling, of course.

So were, for example, the Soham murders. We haven't stripped Ian Huntley of his citizenship.

There are any number of abhorrent, dangerous individuals who continue to live in the UK and hold British citizenship, and we have to find ways of dealing with them.

Where innocent children (and older people) were murdered by everything that vile woman stands for. She actually said she agreed with it. That's more than disgraceful - it's sick, disgusting and evil. Would all the pp's supporting her still be doing that if their loved one had been murdered or maimed at Manchester Arena?

I can't begin to truly feel what they must have gone through.

Or, as I said, the family and friends of Holly and Jessica who were murdered by Ian Huntley.

I don't understand how this can be legal. She's never been to Bangladesh. If it was a white British 15yr old this would be illegal and it should still be now and is apart from the insistence she could go to Bangladesh. Bring her back and put her in prison. Our responsibility.

It's irrelevant what she has done. She could be a serial killer who eats babies. She is British. End of. This farce shows our legal system up as essentially racist. Just leave the problem to Syria. Appalling.

It is not illegal to say that you support the Manchester bomber. There are no legal penalties in British law for holding certain beliefs, however disgusting to most people.

There are penalties for actions, and for inciting others to commit actions.

By all means use those laws, and the punishments that go with breaking those laws if someone is convicted after a fair trial.

This is trial by media, and creating a second class version of citizenship for people whose families are immigrants.

Can't help but think if this young woman was called something like Juliet Simpson from a middle class long established White British family from Surrey - then she would have been regarded as wayward and misguided . Then the emphasis would have been on the grooming she so obviously victim to at 15.

Can you imagine Mr and Mrs Simpson having their child's british nationality removed leaving her stateless ?
Bloody hell - the Mail would be running a campaign for the jailing of the Home Secretary !

To me this is one of the most appalling travesties of justice solely based on racial prejudice. (I work on a modern Slavery investigation team and ALL children subjected to grooming and trafficking are automatically put into the National referral mechanism for a conclusive ground's decision and if found to be a victim are then exempt from criminal prosecution under section 45 of the modern Slavery act .. however it seems the law is only the law when there is political expediency in it not being so.. appalling.

When an undesirable has dual citizenship, how is it decided which nation gets to withdraw it. Is it like musical chairs or who blinks first?

Huntley was a muderer not a terrorist
Only held British citizenship, not that that matters as his case has nothing to do with the law on stripping someone’s citizenship.

I don't think she ever did say that she supported or agreed with the Manchester bombing, unless I misunderstood something.

It does seem that way
less musical chairs more first past the post.

Shamima Begum only held British citizenship.

Well, in the case of Shamima Begum Bangladesh couldn't have withdrawn it first because she never held Bangladeshi citizenship.

She could have if her parents had registered her birth with the Bangladeshi authorities, or presumably if she had registered herself between the ages of 18 and 21.

But as that didn't happen, she didn't have Bangladeshi citizenship, so they couldn't withdraw it. But that can be used as a way of getting round international law that states you can't make someone stateless.

I have an aunt who is married to someone who is from a Jewish family in an Arabic Middle Eastern state. He was here as a student (decades ago) when the authorities decided to remove his citizenship on the grounds he was Jewish. He was stateless for about 15 years, as the Home Office wouldn't recognise that he had been left stateless - they said he needed to get a letter from the Embassy of his original state confirming they had made him stateless. Which, of course, they were never going to do because the more difficulty he was in the happier they would be. Plus, this state had broken off diplomatic relations with the UK, and the nearest Embassy was in Paris. Where he couldn't travel, because he no longer had a valid passport.

There is a looong history of racism in the Home Office.

Attached headline from the Independent newspaper at the time

No, she was born with Bangladeshi citizenship too. Similar to how we have British citizens born abroad that have citizenship from the moment they are born regardless of whether they ever register with a British Embassy, and regardless of whether they ever or never travel or live here. Bangladesh has the same sort of citizenship by descent laws.

No citizenship is automatic just like all us Irish born the uk with Irish parents / grandparents
We are by birth automatic citizens of Ireland , Bangladesh is the same.

Why is it different?

If we can remove British citizenship for people whose behaviour is abhorrent, why don't we remove his citizenship?

Otherwise, Shamima Begum's behaviour is also irrelevant. She is a British citizen, and has never held any other citizenship.

Of course, she does have brown skin and her parents were immigrants. So she isn't 'really' British

That's a newspaper headline. It's not what she said.

And bangladesh through her family
Automatic
Dont have to apply
You just are…as soon as you’re born

She would have held Bangladeshi citizenship if her birth had been registered with the Bangladeshi authorities. It wasn't

If you are registered within the stated timeframe, I believe?