Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

How to Get British Citizenship by Descent
By acquiring British citizenship by descent, you can become a UK national even if you were born abroad. You can get your citizenship status on the basis of a parent’s or, in some cases, grandparent’s British nationality.
The Home Office reviews any claim for British citizenship by descent and judges it on a case-by-case basis.

london-immigrationlawyer.co.uk/british-citizenship/british-citizenship-by-descent/

Registering isn’t necessary for citizenship acquired at birth.

No Jewish person can ever be left stateless because everyone of the Jewish faith automatically has the right to emigrate to Israel and apply to be a citizen (which is never rejected- it’s just sign here and right you’re in).

He couldn’t get the letter saying he was stateless, because he wasn’t- he had the right to Israeli citizenship. It would have been asking the other nation to lie in an official letter.

It's not how it works. You have to actually register your right, and she never had. She did not hold a Bangladeshi passport. She had, in fact, never been to Bangladesh. How is it Bangladesh problem?

My children are entitled to French citizenship. They're not French citizens because I haven't registered their entitlement.

Not true, you don’t need to register.

The other nation didn't give a flying XXXX about his citizenship. His citizenship was revoked purely because he was born into a Jewish family - are you saying that was OK?

Or that - having NO connection to Israel, the fact that as a Jew he could become a citizen means that he HAD to become a citizen?

It is true! To be a documented citizen. And even leaving the question of paperwork aside... she'd never lived there. How is it Bangladesh's problem?

Removing citizenship govn policy on previous page of this post as an attachment
Its all to do with national security, terrorism that sort of thing…

No idea what happens to murderers if they have dual nationality tbh but it doesn’t seem that they fit within the govn policy as attached….so guessing it doesn’t apply to them….

People keep saying that she hates Britain. That may be true. But so do the Guardian-reading Oxbridge liberals who run the BBC (not to mention the arts, the publishing industry and the universities). Listen to smug, sneering twats like Will Self or Stewart Lee for five minutes! They make Shamima seem like an anglophile.

So anyone born into a Jewish family - whether observant or not - could be stripped of their citizenship on the grounds that they could get Israeli citizenship?

Even if they have no connection to Israel?

Wow. That's, well, I don't even have the words. Wow.

Quite right @Onnabugeisha you are a citizen, automatic, you are born you are an automatic citizen as your birthright…

Just because they don’t like your version of Britain doesn’t mean they hate Britain 🙄

I mean, some of his family did go to Israel, because they were being persecuted by the country they had lived in for generations.

Some went to the USA as refugees.

He stayed and married my aunt.

But - it's OK to be deprived of citizenship for that reason? And then for the UK to say that he should just go to another country he had no connection with? Whose attitude e.g. to Palestine is completely opposed to his own views? Because he's of Jewish origin?

I still can't get my head round your point of view

There’s more info on their website but the basics are attached here

Her right to citizenship in Bangladesh is disputed - this was from 2019 and she is now over 21
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/21/what-is-the-truth-about-shamima-begums-citizenship-status

I am in agreement here… once she was out there she had NO choices and was abused, she was also smuggled into Syria by a Canadian Intelligence Agency- I feel they should have a role to play here

I find her deplorable (equally, pitiable but really that's besides the point) but this is about more than just Shamima Begum and what she "deserves". In principle, she is not less British because of her Bangladeshi heritage. She should not be treated unequally because of her Bangladeshi heritage, because of her brown skin. It's just wrong. It shames us. She is British, has always been British. Our problem to deal with. Otherwise what's the message to other British Citizens, people born and raised here but whose parents may have come from elsewhere? They are not less British, and neither is Shamima Begum.

Yeah, I understand the principle. But you don't actually know if either of her parents are Bangladeshi citizens, as in born in Bangladesh. From what I recall, her mother was but doesn't hold a Bangladeshi passport. So there would have to be an element of proving and demonstrating.

I mean, if I were to say I want to go and live in Morocco as a Moroccan citizen because my father was Moroccan, I think they'd ask for some documentary evidence. They wouldn't just say, "right you are."

She was groomed or radicalised in the UK and so she is the UK's responsibility.

That’s the law been around for decades.

It’s reflects a kind of responsibility that offsets the bonus of the U.K. letting you have the right to more than one citizenship. (Some countries do not allow dual/multiple citizenships- you have to renounce any other ones you might be born with).

In return for having the right to live and work in more of the world than most people, the only thing you have to do is promise not join an enemy actively fighting a war or engaging in terrorist attacks on the U.K..

If you do, then you could lose your citizenship because you chose to side with the enemy literally at war with the U.K.

If by OK you mean perfectly legal….
And apparently he had family in Israel too, so arguably more of a connection to Israel than the U.K.

I think the difference is that RR wasn't actually involved in beheadings etc
Unlike S.B

I believe that the security services know way more than is made pubic and have very specific information about why ut would not be safe to have her back here

Still automatic
according to the Bangladeshi high commission

He came to the UK as a student, and was living here when stripped of citizenship.

His family managed to leave after that - having been persecuted - and some went to Israel AFTER he had been living in the UK as a student. Others were able to claim asylum in the USA, again AFTER he had been living in the UK.

I read this article too, earlier today, and I was surprised.
The article is wrong

Yeah that was before every court, including the Supreme Court ruled that she wasn’t made stateless because of her right to Bangladeshi citizenship.