Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

@greenspaces4peace - yes and no. I think it was a number of failings. Part of me says her parents had a responsibility to keep her safe online, but the other part of me knows what lengths 15 year olds can and will go to to hide things from their parents. I think the biggest failing was not making her family aware of the friend that had already gone. The school didn’t seem to be protecting their students very well given 4 girls from the the same school went. So I’d say there is failings from family, police, the school and then the UK government for their part in fostering an anti-immigration / Islamophobic sentiment in the UK. I don’t think Shamima is innocent in all this, but the way some people are talking about her as something less than human makes my stomach turn, the person raising a glass to this is disgusting.

She was on the police's radar. I've just read an article that 4 other girls from tower hamlet's were made wards of court and had their passports removed. The police supposedly were meant to do something similar with her but ended up not doing it - the Met have apparently apologised for their own failings.

What is interesting is that the immigration commission acknowledged she was groomed, trafficked and had been failed by multiple British agencies.

Does anyone know what are the rules on flying? It's crazy to think a 15 year is allowed to fly alone without any adult. Surely this should have been questioned at the airport?

I've never seen a SIAC decision that didn't raise my eyebrows.

i place more blame on the parents and their beliefs. I get the impression they remain supportive of her beliefs and actions.

Good. Amazed the justice system did the right thing for once. Let's hope the BBC stop giving airtime to this waste of space.

No. Lots of young people do stupid things against their parents’ wishes. I don’t know enough so maybe I am reflecting my family experiences. I imagine they are beside themselves with worry.

I've read on here that she travelled on his sisters passport, no idea if it's true but it could definitely work.

Thats is true she did use her sisters passport

unaccompanied minors can fly from the age of 12 for an additional fee.

Why do people think it's acceptable to dump someone who was born on the U.K., lived only in the U.K. on another country? She's the UK's problem to deal with.

her theoretical Bangladeshi citizenship is irrelevant.

I agree.

She is not Syria's problem.

It's kind of grim that people are celebrating this. I feel sorry for her. She must have been an unbelievably unhappy teenager to fall prey to this kind of ideology.

@Wecanallmakeadifference thanks for confirming.

Ah thank you I wonder if the other girls did too. Having a teenager myself I know how difficult that age can be and how influenced they are by others especially if vulnerability. As a parent it's it's the worse thing as you really have very little control, my son was involved with a very bad crowd and I did everything I could to try and get him away from them. We had police speak to him, social workers and youth workers who said if he didn't consent they couldn't help. Now he is 18 he is a different boy, he realises they were a bad crowd but he said he felt lost at the time and they accepted him and treated him like a brother. So whilst part of me is glad she isn't allowed back I do think maybe she has changed and should be given a second chance due to her age.

This 100%

I thought the recent documentary about her was quite revealing. It spliced together several interviews with her from the camp (where she lives surrounded by zealots). She really loved her first baby and was devoted to her, but the baby died. And then the next two died. Shamima was devastated and has to live with the guilt that she couldn't keep them alive. It sounds as if she spent months indoors with the wife of family while her DH was working (she and her DH were living in one room of a family home). Then he was arrested and she went to the camp. Her friends had died. It's no wonder she is empty inside. She was a silly child who believed she was doing the right thing by going to live in a place where good Moslems lived in their own state (my words) - she had seen a 'recruitment video' (shown in the documentary) of happy families at a funfair in this 'Islamist paradise'.
She was a child. She had lost her mother (her father remarried). She was groomed. She is a British citizen and should be brought home.

If she was white, pretty and more emotional/likeable there wouldn't be so much of this black and white blanket hatred for her.

Taking away her citizenship is morally wrong, we need to bring her back to face justice, not dump her in a country that she was in part responsible for destroying.

Guessing posters all know this anyway but thought I’d post a copy on govt policy

Re hatred etc I don’t feel anything and haven’t followed it much at all. I think though no one on SM can make better decisions than the court as they won’t have expertise or full evidence. And thankfully public opinion doesn’t mean much.

Either way it’s a full process taking time and money and I’m fine with their decision

So @Wecanallmakeadifference, you think it's perfectly acceptable to dump her on another country when she has never had anything to do with that country and when she was born and raised in the U.K.? You really think that is the right thing to do, dump our problems elsewhere just because we "got there first"?

I think it's an utterly disgraceful thing to do.

I thought her comments regarding the Manchester Arena bombing were disgraceful.

Plitvice could you share a link please? I would like to read more about this.

I think it is the right decision

if we take a look at the average 15 year old they know right from wrong

being groomed for sexual exploitation vs going abroad to me are very different things

She may well be used as a scapegoat but the fact is that they are setting a precedent to deter any other person doing the same thing

If she was allowed in and she was in anyway shape or form active or passively involved in anymore terrorist activities then all helll would break loose and rightly so

Whilst she may have garnered some sympathy and support, I do think the reality is, is that if she was white she would have more support.

I also think Sajid Javed being Asian himself (I say this being Asian myself) would be under absolute scrutiny if she was allowed back. He has to show that he is not partial.

In 2022 the Supreme Court in the US didn’t even hear Hoda Mutha as appeal..

the case was a little different as she was born in the us her father was a Yemeni diplomat- so the argument was firstly whether she was a US citizen but her passport has been revoked and she is not allowed reentry in to the US

I do think if she came back, she would not be able to live a normal life. She has already had millions of pounds of taxpayers money used to defend her. She will continue for the rest of her life be supported using taxpayers money- so it is the right decision- for public protection, and to put our foot down that this country is not soft.