Nicola Bulley 10

[lemmein]

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

I can’t see anywhere the police are suggesting that her drinking means they think she was drunk that morning.

But she was clearly a woman struggling. Which is why the believe it’s most likely she went in the water.

On day 2 of the specialist divers team searching, PF (I think that’s his initials) confirmed he had arranged the search with the family in an interview on GMB. It was their responsibility to tell PF of important information. PF said he would have conducted the search differently if he had have known, so it was important. I would have thought he would have spoke to the family and asked them these things. If he didn’t, I would find that strange. And if he asked and was misled, that’s even stranger. PF has embarrassed himself by categorically stating she isn’t in the water, because he hadn’t been given all the information.

I don’t agree the police have been a disgrace. I don’t think any of us can know. They have been backed into corner. They have had other information that they didn’t release. The family chose not to go public with it, which is their choice. But the police have come under fire because, to the public, they had no reason to believe she may have gone in the water. And because the public felt they had a right to know all the gory details, speculation Has been rife and unhelpful. People turning up and making the whole search harder. People trespassing and thinking they know better because they read something on the internet.

I don’t blame the police for sharing more details and they may have done with the families support. They had to clear up a lot of things, due to the behaviour of the public, and more information has come out. I don’t believe anyone thinks this means Nicola is less worthy of being found.

I also assume there’s further things we don’t know and so no one can form an opinion on wether the police have been disgrace. At the moment it looks like their job has been a lot harder, because of the general public. If they hadn’t given further info they were being lazy, incompetent etc. Now they have given one of the reasons they have the theory they do, they are trashing her/sexist/ trying to make her look bad.

What would be the right choice?

I agree that a functioning alcoholic could present as well to the outside world while suffering considerable inner torment.

Also I have personal experience of perimenopausal mental health issues and there have been times where I have frightened myself with the feeling that I just want everything to stop. I don't know what has happened to me at times but I have driven away from my home on an impulse to disappear then managed to talk myself round. When I feel well, the thought that I could have impulsively harmed myself makes me feel frightened.

I really hope nothing like this happened to Nicola. I also feel the police could have handled this information better. I'm not sure how, but there must have been a better way to preserve her dignity.

It wasn't mentioned in the first police press conference this afternoon, it was released later ....

www.lancashire.police.uk/news/2023/february/nicola-bulley-missing-person-investigation-15022023/

Maybe it was at risk of being released by someone else

Why on earth would the public knowing she was going through early menopause help them to find / assist with the search / help public safety? It's not as if she's having a psychotic episode and the public need to be aware about approaching her directly.

Absolutely disgusting her confidential medical records have been shared without her consent. If she has taken herself off voluntarily, how will she feel about her colleagues, neighbours , in-laws and the entire public being aware of this for no reason whatsoever?

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If I was going to take my life in similar circumstances I would have at least tied the dog to the bench so she was safe and couldn't follow me

Whole case is bullshit!

I call BS on the alcohol excuse.

I remember this

I dont think posters should be making accusations against members of the family

Thanks - I'm glad I'm not the only one!

twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1625942324860620815?t=Ds0mV-430sjYGFJf3jrgqA&s=19

"Anything you say in front of the press... you run it always past the family first."

Former Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding speculates that Nicola Bulley's family weren't informed of the decision to release information about her alcohol issues."

@Goldpaw thank you for bringing my message here.

I truly believe now, more than ever, that they completely fucked this up from Day 1.
They absolutely were not expecting it to get this much attention, or to be held to the account they have been.

I doubt those girls will ever get the answers they need.

Victim blaming at its absolute worst

This reminded me of the Ariel Castro case, where his first two kidnap victims were written off as 'troubled' so the police didn't really bother looking for them. How many times have we heard about the police operating under false assumptions because a female victim - adult or teenager - has been labelled imperfect? The police may turn out to be right but, all the same, it's chilling to think that you could be abducted - with all the potential horrors that entails - and unless you fit the right victim profile the police will have closed their minds to really looking for you.

Someone on the last thread said they already knew about the alcoholism. In a village so tight knit, people from outside are instantly recognisable as such, I’d imagine police turning up and signs of alcoholism would be hard to hide.

The additional statement makes me think the info was going to come out and they wanted a chance to release it “properly” first.

In a statement on February 15, cops looking into her disappearance revealed that she had been classed as a "high risk" missing person due to her "vulnerabilities".

They added that revealing these "vulnerabilities" were an "unusual" but necessary step.

This means that there was a "real and immediate" danger to the safety of either Nicola or the public.

Give me strength ... Can you not ALL LEAVE IT ALONE???
Please. These threads are just sick now.
LEAVE IT. PLEASE.

Why does he speculate that.

Interesting the focus here on the police "lying" - but her family and friends have repeatedly said that there were no problems, no reason for her disappearance, and they never told the "expert" they insisted was involved. Throw into the mix a clear fact, not speculation. If the police and health professionals were called to even one "incident" then social services are automatically involved if children are involved. Because the first priority is to ensure the children are protected. Which had never been a consideration on any of these threads.

There's a tragedy here. The answer may or may not come. But for the sake of the children, give it a rest now and ask MN to delete and bury ALL these threads. At least that will be several thousand awful posts less for them to read.

Or they have been forced to defend their investigation.

Forgive me for not having the blind faith in the police of the past. SM has a lot to answer for but it does also cast light. The detective today on the news conference was defensive and incredulous that people now question the police.
The police are currently under investigation for their response after reports of indecent exposure. The most prolific rapist was a policeman, daily there are reports of corruption and failure.
I used to think the Police were the beacon, that there arrival meant that I was safe. Personal experience as well as the activities in the courts makes it clear that this isn't the case. That institutional issues such as racism, misogyny etc are endemic. The strip searching of black teenage girls, the Whats App groups of dead women, the .... it is endless.

The Police are not, and must not, be above scrutiny.

@lemmein well that makes it even worse. Her children, my God - releasing this is not in their best interests surely. Ok- they may have known that there were “issues” but having everyone else know is a different matter.

If Paul believed she had alcohol problems, he wouldn't be certain she wasn't in the river. And If she has alcohol problems significant enough to make her vulnerable in an investigation, I very much doubt he would be allowing her to drive their children when he could do it himself.

Absolutely wild from the police. WILD.

Former Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding speculates

You could have left it at that really. It's yet another 'insightful' comment from an 'expert' who isn't in full possession of the facts. Ignoring the damage that these comments from outside 'experts' have already done.
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No. With this new information it's even more prevalent for MN. Women, women with kids, menopausal women, women with alcohol issues...we are seeing it, understand it and it must be talked about. Don't look, read and comment if that's how you feel.