Nicola Bulley 10

[lemmein]

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

Understanding menopause is the opposite of 'crazy lady'. For hundreds of years menopause was dismissed as being mad, now women are asking that their symptoms are taken seriously and treated. Believe me severe menopause symptoms are horrendous and nothing to do with misogyny. 'Get on with it, it's natural/ you are just depressed/ we haven't done much research/" is misogyny.

You think this has improved things? Releasing info about a welfare visit? Totally unprofessional

Nobody was even questioning why the search started so early though.

A woman dropping off her kids, taking her dog for a walk, then going missing leaving her dog and phone at a bench is enough to warrant an immediate search surely?

Of all the criticism of the police I've read I've not once seen any comments of why they reacted immediately. I would expect then to react immediately under those bizarre circumstances.

From the last thread: All I can say is poor woman. And because of a the Internet detectives and the press not giving it a rest and speculating, her personal issues have now been made public

It was the police who chose to mention vulnerabilities at this afternoon's briefing, and who then later chose to expand on that to the level of detail they issued (eg stating there had been a welfare check).

A competent police force would not release information they do not want in the public domain. They chose to go this far

On the ITV news it just said she was known to have significant problems with alcohol and the police were at their house on 10th Jan.

I’m confused as to why police did not describe her as high risk/vulnerable to start with.

I previously worked in a suicide prevention service and we had some regulars who were always described this way if they went missing and search and rescue were out looking for them (and that wasn’t because they had used our service and confidential information about them had been passed on, I just recognised some when I saw them on the news/in papers, so the information has come from somewhere else, friends and family or mental team I assume )

I am trying to figure out why police would do this differently and not share that info and the only conclusion that I can come to is that the family asked them not to.

Maybe the family are absolutely convinced that it wasn’t suicide, and didn’t want the public to make that assumption and stop looking out for her?

Not posted on or read any of these threads before so I don’t know if this has been mentioned but, given the update, is it possible they’ve also come across items on her internet search history regarding suicide/drowning and this is why they are so certain she is in the river?

Why did PA not tell Peter about her issues?

Thank you for opening a new thread. I haven't commented on this case at all but today reading about the police telling the world that basically the poor woman is an alcoholic who can't deal with the menopause has made me just furious!!!

First of all, I don't believe for a second that a woman who is competent enough to get her children ready for school, give them breakfast and then organise them along with the family dog into her car to drive them to school, proceeding to walk the dog as was a regular routine while on a work phone meeting call is somehow struck by an alcohol-related episode (depression? sudden alcohol-related physical event?).

I have a feeling that her poor partner was questioned about every single aspect of their current relationship and what he may have said has been manipulated by a local police force under national scrutiny to deflect some responsibility.

Even if she had some problem drinking behaviour none of this makes any more sense. Are the police trying to hint that she may have been drunk while walking her dog while on a work call? Would her partner have seriously let her drive the kids to school like that?

I highly doubt she drank more than the average male parent equivalent, but that wouldn't be suggested if the situation was reversed of course!

Peter Faulding you utter coward. He had an opportunity to hold his hands up and apologise. Instead he implies blame lies with a shocked and grieving family (by implication blaming them, why would police share confidential info with him a non connected civilian)? for not sharing all info. The blame lies completely with PF for being unable to realise a grieving desperate family will cling to hope and offers of hope and as a result may not be completely open in case this offer is rescinded. Utterly shameful.

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I agree.

I've actually got personal experience of someones death not looked into because of what police where told at the scene and they didn't probe etc and just accepted it.. Unfortunately it was a while until other stuff came out from the cornora which put the death as something else.

So many opportunities were missed,i did manage to get another investigation going but it was too late a d hopeless.

I also have quite considerable experience of middle aged women drinking and have seen some pretty on the edge stuff.

I'm not buying this and don't feel it has any relevance yet but I can see why it may have slightly hampered the golden hour when she could have been abducted and they were focused on the river etc.

Re the thread, why not ignore the squeeky toys and let mnhq do their job rather than capitulation to self appointed ghoulish thread police and self thread police?

I suspect we will find out that she has harmed herself in some way.

I would normally make an assumption that her husband was involved though watching his interview I simply don't see it. All of his stress cues are consistent with having lost his wife rather than harmed her.

So when the police insisted they had no reason to believe a third party was involved people called them out saying that they couldn’t possibly have known that because there were no reasons (that we knew of) to believe she was vulnerable.

Now that they have confirmed she was vulnerable that’s not good enough either?

The police confirmed that Nicola had vulnerabilities, they had no choice, because of the levels of speculation directed at the family, the friends, the police for daring to presume she had gone into the river. And once they had confirmed that it was only a matter of time before the media got hold of the reasons.

And given the family haven’t come out and denied it I think it’s safe to assume that it’s true. Esp given the family haven’t been backwards in coming forwards when talking to the press.

And tbh a lot of things make sense now.

If she was drinking (and let’s not pretend that someone can’t live as a functioning alcoholic,) it’s entirely possible that she could have fallen into the river.

When the partner stated that he called and called when she didn’t come home on the dot of the time he expected her people questioned that. In fact I did on another thread because that in isolation is a red flag IMO. Not that he hurt her, but if he was so intent on knowing where she was at all times that could easily have been the mark of an abusive relationship. Certainly if a woman had posted here that her husband called constantly if she didn’t arrive home at a certain time people would be screaming “red flags” from the rooftops.

But if she was vulnerable then he had good reason to be concerned when she didn’t come home.

First time posting on these threads I'm speechless at how the police are handling communications and just pray they are better at the actual investigation. It worries me how much the menopauseal alcoholic line has influenced how they have handled the case.

Thanks @lemmein and agree with posters comments.

This is some next level misogyny. Absolutely raging that the police have released this information when it has NOTHING to do with someone being wiped from the face of the earth in ten minutes and they have NOTHING, no evidence whatsoever that she entered that water. There is NO trace.

Her poor children having their mum’s private life, her fucking ovaries are now being discussed. If she is “taking a break” this latest development could hamper any desire she has to return.

These threads were in bad taste ? Nothing compared to what the police have now released after saying they wouldn’t release the “vulnerabilities.”

I must also be classed as vulnerable if NB is, based on that criteria.
Disgusted with the police.
Previously thought they’d done a good job. Surprised the SIO is allowed on the case given that I’m guessing she looks pretty “vulnerable” herself!

They started the speculation by asserting so strongly their belief that she had gone into the river. Despite them telling the public they were looking at other alternatives, it seemed like they weren't really looking in depth. Hence so many people deciding to take matters into their own hands. Totally unacceptable, but they weren't the only ones who thought the police had tunnel vision with the river theory.

They've created this themselves.

I've actually got personal experience of someones death not looked into because of what police where told at the scene and they didn't probe etc and just accepted it.. Unfortunately it was a while until other stuff came out from the cornora which put the death as something else.

Same

People who have faith in the police most likely have never dealt with them.

Surely if she had massive alcohol problems and had taken herself off somewhere, she'd have needed money for booze and would have had to buy it somewhere?

Nicola also sorted out everything in the morning, took kids to school, walked Willow and was seen by witnesses as per usual, and logged into her Teams Meeting.

The police have stated “previous issues with alcohol” not

• “she’s a drunk, unstable menopausal woman, who fell in the river pissed”.. (But they may as well have, as this is now what people will run with and focus on).

Was it absolutely necessary for Lancs Police to reveal this level of information - particularly "significant issues with alcohol"? Why couldn't they have said that she had some ongoing health issues that made her vulnerable and explained why she was immediately treated as a high risk misper?

It feels to me like Lancs Police have released this informaton to justify their actions and the criticism of their investigation (which was referred to at the start of the press conference this afternoon).

I feel so angry about the way this has been handled.

Well that’s the police’s fault

Speaking as a functioning alcoholic myself, its entirely plausible, unfortunately, that Nicola took herself off somewhere or intentionally slipped into the water somewhere.

Even when sober, there is a lot of darkness involved in alcoholism. Even when you're trying to feel better.

I'm so angry that the police have been searching for a dead menopausal alcoholic and not the person Nicola Bulley. So angry.