Nicola Bulley 10

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Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

I don’t get why the alcohol issues needed to be mentioned? It doesn’t sound like she was drunk that morning (driving, chatting to people, taking the kids to school) so whatever has happened doesn’t sound like it’s connected to alcohol. Sounds to me like the police are trying to paint a certain type of picture to get the public off their back.

Even if she was drunk that morning (unlikely) that doesn’t explain how she disappeared in a 10 minute time frame. If she had stumbled over and fell into the river, why wasn’t there any sign of her in the slow moving river when they searched? None of it makes any sense.

If she is hiding out somewhere she’s not going to want to come back now the world knows about her issues is she, poor woman

Having caught up with the posts on the previous thread and the press conference and updates today, a few of my thoughts:

I tend to veer on the side of Lancs police covering their backsides with the vulnerable comments - it conveniently gives them justification for what appears to be a very early judgement as to what happened.

A PP commentesd something similar that the family, in order to assist the police, provided a lot of information about Nicola, which included statements which the police have grouped together as being deemed "vulnerable" and as above, justified the direction of their actions.

The press conference I feel caused more issues today, as to the update it will only lead to more speculation than lower it.

The mention of menopause seems to smack of desperation from Lancs police.

PF statement, I see no problem with it or any of his behaviour. If he had been provided with more information from Lancs police it may have changed the logistics of his search patterns both how and where.

Willow's harness, other than it being found, I believe it provides, nor should be used for any "evidence". Many dogs play with their leads and harnesses. Willow may have picked it up, taken it off the bench, been carrying it etc, so nobody can prove or disprove it was left where it was found.

Dog behaviour and the statement in the conference that Willow could have got out - many dogs (and this does come from an element of experience) will not try and exit/enter a gate/fence other than the way they have always used it - it is just the way dogs are with their learned behaviour patterns.

In the same area as above, Willow running between the bench and gate, if a dog becomes stressed, possibly the case here, it can lose its sense of direction, it's behaviour then becomes one of panic. In the panic the dog can run around like a headless chicken. This may explain Willow's behaviour.

The police are utterly deluded. With every new move they believe it will calm things down. But their deeprooted institutional misogyny blinds them to the mess they have created and are continuing to perpetuate.

They have brought all of this on themselves.

Quite.

I think it can't be long before a case review is asked for by senior officer

I agree

@LoveMAFS if we go by the reccomemed units for a women per week, that majority of us will have "alcohol issues" it's ridiculous.

@Goldpaw totally agree!

@MegaManic I do.

Having whatever thoughts or still being drunk in the am makes no difference to the slow moving narrow waist height stream etc.

I hope the people who are so angry about this aren’t the same ones who post on threads suggesting that menopause could be the reason for someone feeling raging/upset/how they can’t function without their HRT etc etc.

You can’t have it both ways. Either menopause is something which has a profound effect on some people’s lives, or it isn’t. So which is it then?

In terms of the criticism of the police, a huge part of the reason for that has been the family. The family have insisted that this was out of character, that there were no issues, that she definitely had to have been taken, etc etc etc and there was a gofundme set up, they weren’t honest with PF who based his search on what the family had told him.

And now we find out that the family told the police she was vulnerable.

That there had been previous police presence at the house.

If it had been able to be made clear that she was considered a vulnerable missing person from the outset then maybe this level of speculation wouldn’t have come about.

It’s likely that the call to the home has been part of the investigation which is perhaps why the police have only just been able to release the information.

And while the police didn’t say anything, the family and friends were free to say what they wanted, even though most of it wasn’t true, even to the point of making documentaries and setting up a gofundme.

Exactly. She was never in the river. It's just not possible.

@schloss

PF statement, I see no problem with it or any of his behaviour. If he had been provided with more information from Lancs police it may have changed the logistics of his search patterns both how and where.

Could you explain your thinking here because I can't see that at all. What difference could it make to where a body ended up?

@confounded234 I had high hopes for the take over from Sally in the communications. But I think you're right, that needs to happen now.

Where did anyone say being peri menopausal or menopausal, in itself made you vulnerable.

It said she was struggling with menopause. Which many women do. It really impacts their mental health. And that’s can make them vulnerable. Have you missed all the highlighting of how difficult menopause is for some women recently?

Add in an alcohol problem and again, vulnerable.

What do you get out of pretending anyone said she was vulnerable based only on the fact that she was in menopause.

I managed to work this out from what was said in the press conference etc, so IF on the ground, I am sure I'd have been very much aware that this was MORE than a possibility. To be this was almost, blindingly obvious, from that was said. I twas also possible to pick up she was likely vulnerable too, IMHO.

But they didn’t need to stop the speculation. It doesn’t affect them

exactly! Are even the police confusing social media with real life now?

I think if he's have known that they were thinking self harm, then he would have considered more strongly that the phone was a decoy and searched elsewhere. It was all centred on it being an accident 10 days ago. Not now....

I think he has come in for a lot of unfair criticism. If he says it's impossible for her to be in the river if she went in at the bench, then I'm inclined to believe him

And some of us don't pretend to be experts on things we know nothing about. You have no idea what my "direct experience" is, but what I said was both direct experience and fact. I'm not the one pretending my view is important. Unlike most people here who also know nothing but pretend their views matter.

Could she have gone towards the sea, unseen, is the question?

100 percent more inclined to believe him than dodgy, covering up, police.

From what I’ve read, as she had significant vulnerabilities, it made her a high-risk missing person, maybe they felt they had to justify the resources that went into this investigation.

twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1625945335288762378?t=dMFtTEdsTU-jwvRB4-h81g&s=19

"I would have changed my entire search strategy."

Forensic search expert @peter_faulding blasts police for delaying the release of important information about Nicola Bulley's state of mind: "It's really annoyed me."

Well certain experts disagree with you and say it is possible! I don't know how you can be so certain. Long term alcohol abuse can make you depressed and can impair you ability in dangerous situations so it's not unreasonable that the police took this into account in the conclusions they reached.

What do you get out of pretending anyone said she was vulnerable based only on the fact that she was in menopause.

@Bellalalala I thought the police statement was the alcohol issues were brought on from early menopause. Menopause is the issue.

I asked on a previous thread if it’s possible to walk up the river and enter the sea. I hope that isn’t the case.

@Coffeeandcake15 they are the "professionals" why on earth would they need to justify to us, the mere public.

And anyway, all they've done is create even more speculation and even more distrust.