Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 8

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My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all.

I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

The man who mentioned a "medical episode" and lured by fishing bait, is there any evidence of either of those things? They're both such odd things to suggest, if not. Particularly since he didn't even know whose dog/phone they were.

But the lack of body appearing, given all the combined conditions and searching so far adds further to how unlikely it is

Oh I’ve found who her FIL is now. Very experienced. I hope he is involved and giving them support with media.

If she was walking away, but given that she was trying to cover her tracks - i.e. suggest that she had possibly been abducted or drowned - then she definitely would have taken her keys, as it would have been her usual thing to do.

Sadly most freak accidents happen in unexpected ways. This is where I find PF the most unprofessional for selling the line it’s impossible, unlikely maybe but very possible.

Surely what he's saying is impossible is that this happened and she wasn't found given the depth of the water and conditions at the spot in question.

Many of the young, fit men drowning in summer comes about because they jump into open water on a hot day and suffer cold water shock.

If it's a cold water drowning (which it would be at this time of year, and indeed most times of year in UK) then how strong a swimmer you are is, sadly, irrelevant.

There's an involuntary gasp reaction on hitting the water, and that in itself can be enough to kill if you face is under. And also, there can be a massive cardiac event at this point.

Even if you survive that, your body will ruthlessly divert blood to your core organs, which deprives your limbs of the strength to swim, so it becomes much harder to save yourself (best thing to do in these circumstances is to let yourself float, face up and hope your seen or can grab an object that will help you float. Hypothermia only really kicks in after about 30 minutes, but the diversion to blood to core will incapacitate you in probably less than 10)

I’m no expert but re body if they miscalculated where she went in or perhaps effect of her clothing on buoyancy it’s quite possible they were searching the wrong stretches at the wrong time. Or they missed the body (perfectly possible they did) and it then drifted. I’m only speaking from local stories of what’s happened in past in my location which is river/estuary/coastal. If you listen to PF he’s always caveating that’s she’s not in the stretch he scanned press then paraphrase to she’s not in river at all.

@confounded234 and they said this very, very early on. They came across like they had made their minds up, in my opinion. Even after police divers found nothing in the river, the same day Nicola supposedly fell in, and nothing since.

Someone mentioned before a few threads ago, that the family could be in denial. But about what? They haven't been given any evidence of anything happening either way. Just the police, ironically speculating. As it is just that, until they have concrete evidence.

I agree with you that it's possible I think it's just less likely than other scenarios in this instance. I don't think it would ever have been questioned as a possibility if other avenues had not been seemingly closed down so quickly.

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I hear you. I care for my mum, was up till 4am, then woken by Openreach engineer at 8am. Firing on depleted cylinders today!

I'm not caught up on all the posts but just a couple of thoughts.

I know plenty of people have their opinions of PF et al getting involved but no matter what you think of the man shouldn't people just be happy he is involved and trying to help no matter what you think of him personally, surely more hands on deck as it were can only be a good thing?

Also re the posters saying looking for burial spots is far fetched and too far, I won't go into detail as it's identifying but back in early noughties a friend of mine went missing and was found murdered. It was in the news etc and it just made no sense to anyone. There was no motive or crosses to bear. The perpetrator just did it for fun, basically. Men kill women and often it makes no sense so I personally don't feel it's far fetched to be looking for burial sites. I think it's sensible and should already have been happening before PF or anyone else came on the scene.

Absolutely 100%

If this was my daughter I would do everything I could would not rest. My heart is really going out to Nicola's family

I agree with this. I'm a regular cold water swimmer but once experienced after drop when I stayed in for just 10 mins in very cold water (in a wetsuit). I was disorientated and found it difficult to breathe and move.

We shouldn't underestimate the impact on the body of falling into very cold water in a January. Cold water shock is real. Being fully clothed would not help and neither would being a strong swimmer.

Well, she would, of course. Because if she left them people would think "oh, she left her car keys, how odd, I expect she planned it and wanted to disappear".

Not saying she has done that. The car keys are really bothering me though.

I can't find anywhere who he is, could u dm me to let me know

@Renoir56 the river doesn't look very deep. Could your body go into shock in shallow cold water? Genuine question.

The thing that's odd about it is suggesting someone had a medical episode (faint, nose bleed, turned ankle...) yet just walking off and leaving the stuff there.

Thinking "oh, someone's dropped that" and walking off is one thing. But thinking medical episode and walking off seems bizarre to me. But of course he may not have said or even thought it, it's vague reporting.

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I'd thought he meant a medical episode then fell in the river as a result. But who knows any more? Honestly, the inconsistencies in statements from police and mixed up reporting is terrifying and potentially screwing things up for those investigating

❤️ Much love to you @ImprobablePuffin

The river has a deep channel in the middle I believe even at low tide (I think) it’s c 3m. It’s perfectly plausible in my view she fell hit her head on the rocks PF keeps mentioning and in a disoriented state went towards the middle of the river by accident. Pure conjecture but baffled why PF keeps implying rocks make it unlikely an accident has occurred.

Even if he meant that, would you really think "bet they fell in the river" and then walk off?

It's all odd.

But it was only reported in the context of caravan park woman finding the dog and the man who came through the gate behind her saying it to her, it was her who said he said it. So really vague. And was to the press I think, not the police.

I can only hope the actual investigators have proper timings etc, as they certainly have not released a reliable timeframe.

I have no idea what he’s playing at. It’s common sense after a fall people are often disoriented or confused especially with a bang on the head on rocks. Is he seriously saying the only way she ended up in the deep part is someone pushing her. Just bizarre.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/forensic-expert-says-nicola-bulley-29211157

Pure conjecture but baffled why PF keeps implying rocks make it unlikely an accident has occurred.

Because he knows if that had happened then she'd have been found fairly promptly given how quickly divers with specialised equipment were on site