Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 8

[ofwarren]

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My phone is playing up. I wrote a FAQ and then it crashed and I lost it all.

I'm also dealing with a child on the spectrum who is bouncing off the walls this evening so I apologise for not being around much.

Wyre borough Council receiving abuse from the public

@ofwarren Completely ridiculous.

There are still 2 theories about the phone, right? Was found on the bench by the lady, and was found on the ground by the man who came right after the lady, and then was put on the bench. Have it been corrected, which one was correct? And has this man come forward to police? Also it is strange that no one has passed the bank between 09.33 to the time it was reported to the police. It might be possible someone passedby but didnt pay attention due to eyes glued to the phone, maybe, but has anyone who might pass during the time come forward to police? I feel like someone must know something, that might have reported it to the police. Its very strange since theres no trace at all.. Like maybe an accessories fell down, or shoe prints.. Its weird theres no skid mark (if fallen to the river), or shoe prints leading somewhere, as I saw some people here said the surrounding ground was muddy. Not to mention why lady who found the dog and the man behind who found the cellphone (if theres any) didnt hear anything, despite very short window time. They might wear headset though. And there must be something that trigger PA thought, that somebody local might be responsible for this. I feel this one is so planned carefully, or might be staged..

I've just looked at the talk guidelines, and my post didn't infringe any of them.

People who mob threads for the purpose of getting them removed, and mount personal attacks on other posters are trolls. Some of them probably were sock puppets. There is a difference between disagreeing with a comment and telling people they shouldn’t even be having a discussion, with added insults and abuse. If someone perceives that a thread breaks guidelines, the thing to do is report it, not keeping clicking in and telling people off. The idea that some seem to have that it’s acceptable to police the forum is what’s batshit not some people discussing a high profile news story in the news topic.

news.sky.com/story/armchair-detectives-in-cases-like-nicola-bulleys-could-be-crucial-but-must-be-managed-ex-detective-warns-12810006

"Martyn Underhilll says police "need" armchair detectives to help solve cases like Nicola Bulley's but "toxic" knock-on effects of huge public interest can also hinder searches. He says 1,000 people a day turned up to look for Sarah Payne in 2000 and dealing with helpers is a balancing act."

@galimbung I can't clarify the situation regarding the man and woman but I do think the phone on the floor versus the bench are two very different scenarios. The amount of time that passed after the woman left for her appointment and before Nicola's partner was known to arrive at the scene opens up all kinds of possibilities. Other people must have passed by that area in that time frame.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1734066/nicola-bulley-lancashire-police-searches-deposition-sites-latest

"Private Nicola Bulley search begins as forensic expert pinpoints 'burial sites' near river
EXCLUSIVE: Forensic pioneer Peter Faulding said he would be privately searching for possible burial sites as he continues to help Ms Bulley's family find any trace of her."

But the police helicopter was up within hours of the missing person report and had thermal imaging equipment (I think they generally do). So not only would have seen her in the river but also on land, in undergrowth (that's what they are especially good at) and even in a "burial site"/shallow grave.

I really hope the police are straight about who found what, where and at what times, because so many different things have been "reported" now that it's very unclear. I don't think the public need to know necessarily, but I really hope the police do have a clear timeline and know what the window of time is that they're looking into.

Of course it would help if the public, who are being appealed to for help, were given accurate information.....

Of course it would help if the public, who are being appealed to for help, were given accurate information.....

Have there been any appeals for people who may have been in the area between 9:30 and 11:30 to come forward?

Yes but to tumble down into that water from that steep embankment potentially head first may plausibly lead to a bump on the head or drowning wise a huge gulp of water. From what I’ve read re clothing perhaps this is the missing bit the private scan guy hadn’t factored in, perhaps the buoyancy added may well have been enough to get her over the weir. It was hours surely until the police divers arrived? Was it not 2 hours till the normal police were there? We’d had a huge amount of rainfall the weeks prior this generally leads to stronger currents.

Quote from PF:
"She wouldn’t have been swept away, the clothing she was wearing, it wasn’t heavy wool so it wouldn’t absorb water so quickly as normal clothing."

It just seems from what I’ve linked that an unconscious person rather than a struggling one is more likely to float especially when wearing coats filled with air pockets. Perhaps not floating enough to be visible to passers-by but enough to get carried along in the hours between supposedly entering water and search team. Then this means the timings and locations of searches won’t have been correct. Obviously I’m guessing but it’s v plausible.

@ImprobablePuffin That's what I think happened

Someone on websleuths has done some calculations regarding movement in the river, etc - obviously, I've no idea if they're right or wrong but it's worth a look if you're interested.

What was their conclusion Bluebell?

Are the police still searching the river/bay? No recent images in the media.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nicola-bulley-police-latest-b2281148.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Main&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1676292372

"Police say they have ‘not stepped down’ Nicola Bulley investigation
Fewer police officers seen in the area of the missing mum’s disappearance"

They haven't really said much in the last few days about where they are searching

I think they were suggesting that the body could have moved further/faster than you might expect. Surely the police dive team are experienced enough to have factored all that in though?

The helicopters are out over Knott End every day but I'm not sure about on the ground.

If this is the case, wouldnt, at least, her car key fall down somewhere before the weir, since the pockets filled up with the water hence she floated? Beside, if thus is the case, I still dont understand why people who found her stuffs didnt see anything on the river. I dont know though how far is the river sighting proximity from the bench area. Can somebody stand near the bench, at least see something big floated after weir for example?

The river bends near the bench so you can only see the bit in front of you really.

Apologies if this has already been discussed but is there access to the field across which you could walk directly across to the weir?
Also, was the issue of the man who may have been at the scene early on clarified? Has he now been removed from the timeline?

Such a terrible situation.
As time passes none of the theories gain any more credence- they all still remain as possible as the were on the first day.

By now you would at least hope key clues would have emerged- clothing/car keys/jewellery/other belongings.

Becoming a much repeated cliche, maybe the police have uncovered some clues, we just dont know.

The poor Family