Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 5

[ofwarren]

A new thread about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire.

Not possible
The river isn't deep enough, often enough for boats there.
People would be bemused to see any water vehicles on that stretch so they would stand out like a sore thumb.
Even the rescue dinghy got stuck at one point.

If that is so then like I said before, I hope that they have also checked the tree canopies, not just the ground and water - this is a purely well-meaning suggestion based on the tragedy of a boy I once knew who lived in a similar area.

The link will be deleted too. 🤷🏼‍♀️ The information is on Facebook (credible? No idea).

Just because someone is nice and well liked it doesn’t mean they’re incapable of doing bad things.

I don’t think we will ever find out what’s happened to her. I find it hard to believe she would leave her children behind to deal with the pain, with no note nothing, but I guess people do it all the time.

As for the go fund me, her husband has quit his job they probably need the money, I see no harm in it.

It’s human nature we want her to be found safe and I hope she is or found to give the family closure.

The only useful thing about public interest is that the police can’t just give up.

Well according to ppl that had others comments deleted you must be the only ones who know what others are thinking. Since when can some one not have a opinion? If we all went with 1 opinion a lot more bad stuff could happen.

All her belongings were quite scattered weren't they? If her Fitbit was in the water (not confirmed?) then all that says is that the item is in the water, not the wearer.

It appears that a handful of her items have almost been chucked.

Phone on the floor, harness elsewhere on the floor, Fitbit (possibly) in the river.

If she was last seen in the field there's nothing to say she's gone anywhere near this bench herself.

I agree with this too sadly. I think maybe Nicola waited for the area to be deserted and went through the gate, somewhere else, so Willow couldn't follow.

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Near to where I live a young lass went missing recently (small rural area)
There was a big Police presence, & locals out searching too. I noticed as I drove home from collecting my child from school that the Police had pulled over a young chap walking along the road & were questioning him, notebooks out. When I got home the local FB had 'Police question weirdo type posts' & actual pics posted. Now, I don't know this person, he may well be 'questionable': that is for the Police to determine. But from what I can see the fact he had long hair & a flappy raincoat was enough for local FB vigilantes to put this info online when it may have had nothing to do with the enquiries about the missing child anyway.
I understand confidence in the Police is low but how does that help anyone?
The lass was found safe & the Police have made an arrest (not the young chap).

I do hope that Nicola is found safe & well, but if not then at least her family can discover what has happened to her, it must be appalling for them. To achieve that the Police need to do their job thoroughly, so nothing should impede that. Finally, I also hope that no innocent bystanders are damaged by SM nonsense.

I think this is what's happened or she's walked away from her life I think both of these are more likely than her being harmed.

If she is not in the river it is the most likely explanation.

Wouldn't you tie your doggy safely if you were going to leave it? You wouldn't leave it loose near water would you?

Depends on the dog.

You wouldn't need to tie some dogs up even. I wouldn't need to tie mine up I'd just say wait then walk through the gate.

I think the phone was always on the bench, certainly SR is very clear about this now, Poss some things got a bit confused early on, certainly the story of who was around the bench and when and early witnesses is very hard to unpack. It almost feels like a shaggy dog story, which might be a clue in itself.

The mistake was poss, sadly, if so, picking a bench near a shallow spot, it must be very difficult to navigate re: police if you have some evidence that points to as you describe @Bitteplease . How do they balance keeping an open mind, they'll be obliged to follow everything up, and saying why not a third party really possible? It's not entirely logical to be quite so dogmatic about it so it is rather eating them up, potentially and tying in knots? Do you want to waste resources on what you suspect is fruitless? How to counter that?

I am pretty sure they wouldn't have got anything from the fitbit.

If PF is party to the above it might be why he is generously changing tune a bit, it might now be 'possible'. I feel that they may have some evidence she's at a different point on the river but now sure how and they must really feel CCTV worth the investment, unless of course, just to rule out her leaving the river as someone said.

The longer it goes on the worse it gets, and I'd like for everyone to have the narrative NB wanted, IF so, possible? Even if the truth known to some?

Well not necessarily. As the rumours are Paul reported her missing before willow was found. The police have not confirmed when she was reported missing. All that has happened is a friend said he reported it after going to the scene and wasn’t aware it was reported before this.

@Activelyannoyed There is a witness who claims to have tied Willow to the bench at 9:35 so that's the reported finding of her. If Nicola was reported missing before this, that blows the whole timelines to pieces.

The dog was in a gated area as familiar to her as her own back garden.

Exactly. And the police aren’t saying.

im sure it was after, but as said, there are rumours, it was before. Which would change things totally.

I suspect the police are handing this like a suicide. Not an accident. And that’s what’s led them to focus on the water and say no other involvement . But the fact it’s increasingly likely she’s not in there, then I think the whole thing has changed, did someone tell them she was suicidal when she wasn’t…leave the stuff there, and the police have went down the wrong path totally.

Her dog has been in the water before and apparently Nicola and her partner had done the walk many times. So if Nicola chose to walk away or kill herself she would have known the dog was safe there.

People saying we're not privy to all the info police may have as to why Nicola is in the water, then why do the family themselves not believe she's there either? Thats the point, surely they would be told what evidence there is? Thats why we question the theory not just because her falling in seems improbable but because the family say it too.

I’ve found an awful lot of the wording used in the press conferences and media reporting to be ambiguous. There’s been a lack of clarity not helped from information coming via uncoordinated sources. The confusion over Nicola’s clothing versus the images off cctv for example. Why not obtain these garments and have them on display alongside cctv images? Make everything that’s known fact, as clear as it could be.

There could be a distinction between the dog being discovered without its owner, secured, but left and the dog being ‘found’ ie recovered and removed.

I think we are doing nicola an injustice to assume suicide or she walked away from her life. I know everyone is a detective in this. But I believe she's been abducted by a very skilled perpetrator who must be in the vicinity and know the area well.

Or maybe they just can't get their heads round it?

@Activelyannoyed The rumours no doubt started from the mistake SR made in the outdoor press conference - I was using this as an example of the huge errors she's making. Putting out contradictory information in the public domain as has happened in this case isn't some cunning master plan. It would waste hours of resource by generating huge amounts of useless information that has to be sifted through and eliminated.

@martinisforeveryone Yes - this is the point I was trying to make and it's part of the reason we're all here trying to make sense of what might have happened. Goodness only know what family and friends are going through.

@Bluebellwood129 Press Conf:

So the third party involvement that's suggested by the boss of SGI, mentioned about the phone possibly being left on the bench as a decoy. That's something that's not really relevant to the enquiry or is that a factor?

'Well, Nicola's phone was found on the bench but there could be so many explanations for that, Nicola may have left it momentarily, particularly as she was on a teams call from 9:01 that morning until the teams call ended, albeit she remained dialled in at 9:30am, she could have left the phone on the bench to go and deal with something involving the dog, it does mean anything suspicious in itself.

' And the fact that the other witnesses have not seen anyone suspicious in the area and we haven't picked up anyone suspicious either on our systems or on CCTV does lead us to believe this is a missing person's enquiry'

The area around the bench wasn’t kind of isolated and protected at first I mean, is that something that was regretted at all, or was it the right thing to do at the time?

Well this is a beautiful, rural area, isn't it, and to be able to fence off every hazard, would be practically impossible for an area that people come to on their holidays, they walk their dogs and enjoy leisure time, local people, so I think that would be a very difficult task, not one for the police certainly one for the local authority and I think it would be very difficult to do and may detract from the beauty of the area.

So, no evidence would have been lost by it [the bench] not being isolated or sealed off earlier?

Oh, you are talking about a police cordon, sorry, I thought you meant a physical cordon, sorry.

Well, erm, the police officers were alerted after that first call about 10:50 when the school and her family were told that her phone and her dog had been found. Police officers were on the scene very quickly afterwards.

In that short window. I am not concerned, having been led by the enquiry team to this view, that anything would have been lost in that short time.