Page 29 | Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 4

ofwarren · 2023-02-08T10:28:02+00:00

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066 Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

Unsure33 · 08/02/2023 18:20

Bluekerfuffle · 08/02/2023 17:51

Yes, I agree too. It was very good of him to offer and provide his services, but he could have done it with a bit less mouth-flapping.

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Perhaps he was frustrated that the police did not take up his offer in the first place and secondly allegedly gave him no briefing . There are some bits of information that could have been important . He gave his time and equipment free of charge and yet came in for a load of flack . He was also misquoted by the media on several occasions . At least he explained his thinking which is more than the police have done .

Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 18:20

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 18:13

That's my take on it although PF didn't 100% rule out the body going over the weir, but he said it was too shallow really.

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There is the sad possibility that can’t be ruled out, that she didn’t slip or fall, she was harmed by the bench and taken to a much deeper section of the river where the perpetrator knew she would not be seen, and would be taken away. Maybe they went back for the phone but it was too late and had already been seen/ moved. There would easily be the time for this to happen. I can only imagine the police must now be thinking outside of the current scenario as it’s all been ruled out now that she fell by or near the bench.

It may have been done to look like an accident.

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 18:20

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 18:19

Peter said its very unlikely she would have gone over the weir. He's said that in a few videos.

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Good.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 18:21

He's spoken some more about the river and what the search entailed on this podcast an hour ago.
https://www.youtube.com/live/nkyMsVYa-0g?feature=share

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pinkblush · 08/02/2023 18:21

SpecialOPs · 08/02/2023 18:15

Why on earth people are trashing Peter Faulding I have no idea.

He offered his services for free after a few days of the police not finding Nicola in the river probably hoping to bring some closure for her family. Why the police didn't immediately accept his offer knowing his expertise and the higher spec equipment he had is not clear. Obviously they then did accept after further days of not finding her. He has done his search, nothing found and it is his opinion that she's not in the river which he is qualified to give as a FORENSIC underwater search team leader.

Obviously he's spoken to the press as they have approached him for his views, being an expert in this field and all, and the nation waiting with bated breath for this mystery to be solved.

I read up on another search his team worked on a few years ago, a young lad, where the river was much deeper and he was found in two days. Thankfully sparing his family more long days of agony before getting him back and being able to start grieving for him. He did that for free too.

I'm sure he wanted to go the same for Nicola's family.

100% agree.. couldn't have said it better myself.

People will always have something to complain about. The mind boggles!

placemats · 08/02/2023 18:22

ThighMistress · 08/02/2023 17:50

I’m still scratching my head about the timeline. So woman finds dog and phone, ties up dog, then goes off to appointment. Calls dd at 10.50 an hour and a half later and then when does anyone go to bench? Why would you? If you hadn’t suspected anything odd in the first place you’d assume the owner had returned. It’s all rather muddled.

I agree, except it was dil. What also puzzles me is that the police keep saying there's a 10 minute missing timeline. No there isn't.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 18:23

Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 18:20

There is the sad possibility that can’t be ruled out, that she didn’t slip or fall, she was harmed by the bench and taken to a much deeper section of the river where the perpetrator knew she would not be seen, and would be taken away. Maybe they went back for the phone but it was too late and had already been seen/ moved. There would easily be the time for this to happen. I can only imagine the police must now be thinking outside of the current scenario as it’s all been ruled out now that she fell by or near the bench.

It may have been done to look like an accident.

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I wish I had your confidence that the police will be able to pivot their hypothesis. My guess is they will try and shut this down in a day or two and stick it in the missing persons file.

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 18:23

Some one posted this - So Willows "finder" who claims not to know her is named Penny Fletcher, is on photos on Nicolas FB page, owns the CP behind the bench,
rented to her for years, ignored Willows tag, didn't call, tied her up with string and whose CCTV is the only one that's out?

I thought it was odd if she did not ring the number on her dogs collar. If she knew her and had rented caravans to her and her family. I would have thought a decent person would have taken the dog and mobile with her. I read some where that the dog had keys connected to the collar too.

LostidentityM · 08/02/2023 18:24

I wondered also whether she left with someone she knew - an affair or something and they are in turn the suspect. The police may not want to reveal this to the public.

MeinKraft · 08/02/2023 18:24

'Yes, I agree too. It was very good of him to offer and provide his services, but he could have done it with a bit less mouth-flapping.'

The place is crammed with journalists and amateur sleuths all asking him questions about the search. It's not like he was sitting in his dingy shouting HEY GUYS I DONT THINK SHES HERE! He was asked, and he answered. I'm sure the family is grateful for some transparency.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 18:24

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 18:23

Some one posted this - So Willows "finder" who claims not to know her is named Penny Fletcher, is on photos on Nicolas FB page, owns the CP behind the bench,
rented to her for years, ignored Willows tag, didn't call, tied her up with string and whose CCTV is the only one that's out?

I thought it was odd if she did not ring the number on her dogs collar. If she knew her and had rented caravans to her and her family. I would have thought a decent person would have taken the dog and mobile with her. I read some where that the dog had keys connected to the collar too.

It's not her cctv that's out, it's the one on Rowanwater

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placemats · 08/02/2023 18:24

Peter Faulding mentioning the the previous case of a shoe left behind and the body found in a haystack is interesting.

Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 18:24

placemats · 08/02/2023 18:22

I agree, except it was dil. What also puzzles me is that the police keep saying there's a 10 minute missing timeline. No there isn't.

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It’s much longer than 10 minutes and that’s the issue - the base assumption they were dealing with worst case an accidental drowning has really hampered the investigation.

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 18:26

Then why did the police show her CCTV when saying it was broken?

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 18:28

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 18:26

Then why did the police show her CCTV when saying it was broken?

I don't know what you mean?

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Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 18:29

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 18:23

Some one posted this - So Willows "finder" who claims not to know her is named Penny Fletcher, is on photos on Nicolas FB page, owns the CP behind the bench,
rented to her for years, ignored Willows tag, didn't call, tied her up with string and whose CCTV is the only one that's out?

I thought it was odd if she did not ring the number on her dogs collar. If she knew her and had rented caravans to her and her family. I would have thought a decent person would have taken the dog and mobile with her. I read some where that the dog had keys connected to the collar too.

Additionally it was known that the witness had been very angry about dogs being off the lead due to her livestock, and Willow was most definitely off the lead both at the time Nicola went missing and when Willow was found.

Why isn’t she a person of interest at least? It was my understanding that any one with the motive and the means would be investigated.

SolitaryRedFox · 08/02/2023 18:30

This may sound ridiculous and it may have been discussed already but is it possible she got into a boat on that river and was taken away that way? Someone comes along in a boat - gestures for her to come for some reason and she gets into the boat.

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 18:31

placemats · 08/02/2023 18:24

Peter Faulding mentioning the the previous case of a shoe left behind and the body found in a haystack is interesting.

It is, and to those criticising him for sharing cases where aspects are a bit similar to this one, it's a way of opening things up and thinking about more possibilities.

Something the police seem loathe to do.

VariantHela · 08/02/2023 18:31

I've been following the case more recently, and there's just something I find really uncomfortable, I just can't put my finger on it. I hope her poor family get some updates soon 😩

Embelline · 08/02/2023 18:32

True crime podcasts and shows really have a lot to answer for don’t they!

DerangedViper · 08/02/2023 18:32

Togoodtobeforgotten · 08/02/2023 18:18

And yet he's now saying she could have gone out to sea?

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If she went in to the water that side of the weir, then yes, very possible.

PF is saying that in his professional opinion, she wouldn't have been carried over it. And I assume (or at least hope) that it's underwater structure has been thoroughly checked, so she is not caught up in debris next to/under it.

We are tending to assume that she was gone by 9.33. But if there was foul play, she could still have been nearby but overpowered. And after that passerby had gone (and the dog no longer loose) there was quite a stretch of time before anyone else seems to have gone along that way.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 18:32

SolitaryRedFox · 08/02/2023 18:30

This may sound ridiculous and it may have been discussed already but is it possible she got into a boat on that river and was taken away that way? Someone comes along in a boat - gestures for her to come for some reason and she gets into the boat.

There is no way a boat wouldn't been spotted on that part of the river. It would stand out like a sore thumb and even Peter Faulding said their dinghy got stuck because it was so shallow at one point and had to be dragged up the bank.

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Oaktree55 · 08/02/2023 18:33

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 18:20

Good.

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Unlikely but possible. If her coat did add buoyancy as some have pointed out to me when I suggested it would weigh her down then it’s not that unrealistic to think she could travel c200m on current (however slow) to weir before police searched. Objects just below surface aren’t that visible.

Embelline · 08/02/2023 18:33

Posted too soon, that wasn’t directed at everyone. More the outlandish theories and the ones that really seem to finding a ghoulish sort of entertainment in things.

Namechangedforthis234 · 08/02/2023 18:34

I wonder if anyone considered the possibility that nicola took her phone out her pocket to try and call 999.