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ofwarren · 2023-02-08T10:28:02+00:00

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066 Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:31

Diverging · 08/02/2023 17:28

The only explanation that really makes sense so far, if you trust the police know what they are doing, is that they actually do believe there is foul play, they have a suspect, but they have to let this play out until the suspect slips up as they have no evidence to convict at the moment.

That would be the only redeeming scenario for this police force. Because if that isn’t true then it means people on these threads have been doing a better job than the police which is disgraceful. But sadly not unpredictable.

Sorry but that’s ludicrous. Wasting all that money and resources on expensive searches rather than monitoring the suspect would be incompetent.

OhmygodDont · 08/02/2023 17:33

RubyPip · 08/02/2023 17:31

I was 'missing' as a child for four days. Back in the 80s.

I ran away from home and hid in a friend's house, she was a little older than me and her mum was away. I remember hiding in her wardrobe when the police came around to ask if she had seen me, they didn't even come in to check but believed her when she said no.

Other friends knew where I was too because I'd planned it all, and they said they had no idea too!

Awful to think of now really.

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Yup my friend were bare faced lying to my parents. My poor mother sat on my “old” msn asking my friend if they knew where I was saying no when I was sat right next to them! Other friends messaging me back to say they had blocked that account and then just chatting like normal like nothing was odd.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:33

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:31

Sorry but that’s ludicrous. Wasting all that money and resources on expensive searches rather than monitoring the suspect would be incompetent.

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Then we are back to the force being blinkered/incompetent/lazy, take your pick. If they are saying they have extra evidence they can't share with anyone, not even the family, then either they are clever, and carrying out the above scenario, stupid, or lying and think no one will notice

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/02/2023 17:33

We need an update from the police, and what they plan to do about this now

Why?

Her loved ones obviously need updates and no doubt they're getting them, but why do the rest of us need to know details of the police plans?

They can already ask (and have) if they want the public to inform them of anything specific, but apart from that isn't it better that they're allowed to get on with their jobs?

anya21 · 08/02/2023 17:34

surely if the dog had no harness on, and was known to always swim without it, then that lends weight to the theory the dog was taken out of it to swim and N, sitting on the bench put her phone down and went to the waters edge to look for it.

Spambod · 08/02/2023 17:34

ThighMistress · 08/02/2023 16:03

I’m confused: so between the woman finding the dog and phone and her dd going there at 10.50, no one passed that way? No one else thought why is there a random dog tied up and a phone next to it?

Very good point. Why wait an hour and 20 minutes before calling the school/ alerting anyone if they knew whose dog and phone it was. Why leave a dog and phone out in the open alone for so long and walk off and go home. This is really odd. If I found a dog and phone alone near me and I vaguely knew the person I would probably take pictures and call someone from my phone or use their phone to phone from the spot just to check. I have found a phone before and just answered a call from it and then took it with me and the owner then collected it. I wouldn’t have just left it where I found it.

Nicknacky · 08/02/2023 17:34

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:33

Then we are back to the force being blinkered/incompetent/lazy, take your pick. If they are saying they have extra evidence they can't share with anyone, not even the family, then either they are clever, and carrying out the above scenario, stupid, or lying and think no one will notice

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Where are you getting idea they aren’t sharing info with the family? The family will know far more than the public ever will.

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:35

Do you mean Christopher Jefferies?

Yes, sorry!

arghtriffid · 08/02/2023 17:35

The police press conferences are largely a waste of time. All the public need to know is that there's a woman missing in this area, so they can keep their eyes open to it. No advantage to giving us more details.

If there is a risk to public safety they absoultely do have to inform the public.

whataboutism · 08/02/2023 17:36

I trust the police, I believe too that there was foul play and alas she is deceased. Whodunit? They will find out.

DerangedViper · 08/02/2023 17:36

anya21 · 08/02/2023 17:34

surely if the dog had no harness on, and was known to always swim without it, then that lends weight to the theory the dog was taken out of it to swim and N, sitting on the bench put her phone down and went to the waters edge to look for it.

The dog was dry, though, wasn't it?

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:39

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:25

Oh come on, the man's an expert in his field, has obviously built up a reputation big enough to be brought in by several police forces in the south and south east of England in these types of cases, has spent twenty odd years studying rivers and waterways, how they behave and how bodies behave within them. He has specialist equipment that goes beyond what police forces have.

I'd say his reputation remains intact.

Meanwhile we have a police officer from Lancashire Constabulary who can't get their story straight, police divers who didn't search upstream from the bench, and who are still working on the sole assumption that she went into the water.

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In my opinion he's acted completely unprofessionally, criticised and belittled the efforts off the police search team without knowing the full facts, undermined the investigation and personally caused some of the speculation.

I really don't want to hear about his 'shoe on the riverbank' or 'howling dog' cases, or about his 20 years of expertness again. Nor about his 'top of the range', really expensive and better than anyone else's £55k sonar.

He sounds like a golf-club bore boring on about his new job and car.

Just my opinion.

Namechanger355 · 08/02/2023 17:39

lifeturnsonadime · 08/02/2023 15:14

She'd only have to be seen just once and it would rumble the whole thing, its plausible she could have laid low for 2 weeks somewhere but I'm saying in the long run, in the UK the odds of being able to do that long term now are zero.

You are assuming that the police have the resources to trawl multiple CCTVs indefinitely.

Of course it is possible to go missing.

A quarter of the worlds cctv cameras are in the uk

it’s very difficult to go missing in the uk

Daisymaker · 08/02/2023 17:39

A man's body has just been recovered from the Clyde, one month after disappearing

Bluekerfuffle · 08/02/2023 17:39

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:35

Do you mean Christopher Jefferies?

Yes, sorry!

That was a ridiculous arrest, it wasn’t likely he had been a perfectly decent landlord all that time and then suddenly decided to attack one of his tenants. At least the police in this case are not acting like that. They haven’t been influenced by people suggesting someone close seems dodgy for the most stupid reasons and rushed off to arrest them.

Mooserp · 08/02/2023 17:41

Spambod · 08/02/2023 17:34

Very good point. Why wait an hour and 20 minutes before calling the school/ alerting anyone if they knew whose dog and phone it was. Why leave a dog and phone out in the open alone for so long and walk off and go home. This is really odd. If I found a dog and phone alone near me and I vaguely knew the person I would probably take pictures and call someone from my phone or use their phone to phone from the spot just to check. I have found a phone before and just answered a call from it and then took it with me and the owner then collected it. I wouldn’t have just left it where I found it.

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It is easy to say this with hindsight. I've seen many loose dogs with no owner in sight when I've been out on walks and have never called the police or done anything about it.

I would probably have assumed the owner was having a wee behind a bush or something

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:42

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:33

Then we are back to the force being blinkered/incompetent/lazy, take your pick. If they are saying they have extra evidence they can't share with anyone, not even the family, then either they are clever, and carrying out the above scenario, stupid, or lying and think no one will notice

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I’ve no doubt they’ve been working very hard. However if they had run a two-pronged approach from the start - one potentially criminal the other a potential drowning - they would have protected themselves from criticism as well as ensuring that if she didn’t turn up in the river, the forensics were all there.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:42

Nicknacky · 08/02/2023 17:34

Where are you getting idea they aren’t sharing info with the family? The family will know far more than the public ever will.

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Because they cannot truthfully be saying that there is no criminal involvement, while at the same time say there is information relevant to the case that they can't reveal to the public or to Peter Fawley or to the family. If it is a missing person case and the family have been told this "confidential information" then that would surely be putting in place some sort of closure or at least it would let them prepare for one outcome. The information in question seems to be evidence she fell in the water, the evidence being so compelling that they feel comfortable discounting every other scenario.

Yet the family seem no nearer to getting a clue what is happening than they were nearly 2 weeks ago, and are still completely bewildered by what is happening. Her partner spent AN HOUR talking with the search specialist (and a detective I believe) about the search. That doesn't sound like someone who feels he has been kept fully apprised of all the facts so far.

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:43

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:39

In my opinion he's acted completely unprofessionally, criticised and belittled the efforts off the police search team without knowing the full facts, undermined the investigation and personally caused some of the speculation.

I really don't want to hear about his 'shoe on the riverbank' or 'howling dog' cases, or about his 20 years of expertness again. Nor about his 'top of the range', really expensive and better than anyone else's £55k sonar.

He sounds like a golf-club bore boring on about his new job and car.

Just my opinion.

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To be fair he knows a lot more about river searches than you and he got off his arse and looked for her while you’re whining on the internet.

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:44

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:43

To be fair he knows a lot more about river searches than you and he got off his arse and looked for her while you’re whining on the internet.

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What a bloody ridiculous thing to say.

Togoodtobeforgotten · 08/02/2023 17:46

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:39

In my opinion he's acted completely unprofessionally, criticised and belittled the efforts off the police search team without knowing the full facts, undermined the investigation and personally caused some of the speculation.

I really don't want to hear about his 'shoe on the riverbank' or 'howling dog' cases, or about his 20 years of expertness again. Nor about his 'top of the range', really expensive and better than anyone else's £55k sonar.

He sounds like a golf-club bore boring on about his new job and car.

Just my opinion.

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I agree about the way he has acted and he can't make his mind up either!

Togoodtobeforgotten · 08/02/2023 17:49

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:42

Because they cannot truthfully be saying that there is no criminal involvement, while at the same time say there is information relevant to the case that they can't reveal to the public or to Peter Fawley or to the family. If it is a missing person case and the family have been told this "confidential information" then that would surely be putting in place some sort of closure or at least it would let them prepare for one outcome. The information in question seems to be evidence she fell in the water, the evidence being so compelling that they feel comfortable discounting every other scenario.

Yet the family seem no nearer to getting a clue what is happening than they were nearly 2 weeks ago, and are still completely bewildered by what is happening. Her partner spent AN HOUR talking with the search specialist (and a detective I believe) about the search. That doesn't sound like someone who feels he has been kept fully apprised of all the facts so far.

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Because if she is in the river then it could be weeks or months before she is washed up somewhere and I hate using that term. Because I would rather believe she has upped sticks and is somewhere safe.

lifeturnsonadime · 08/02/2023 17:49

Namechanger355 · 08/02/2023 17:39

A quarter of the worlds cctv cameras are in the uk

it’s very difficult to go missing in the uk

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Yet this is from the UK Missing Persons Data Report published in 2020 =

There are 11,608 long term missing individuals recorded on police systems in
E&W, Police Scotland and PSNI.

All that CCTV and still over 11,000 people long term missing in the UK.

I just want to say that I do not think that it is likely that NB is a voluntarily missing person. I just don't accept the claims that it is impossible due to CCTV.

ThighMistress · 08/02/2023 17:50

I’m still scratching my head about the timeline. So woman finds dog and phone, ties up dog, then goes off to appointment. Calls dd at 10.50 an hour and a half later and then when does anyone go to bench? Why would you? If you hadn’t suspected anything odd in the first place you’d assume the owner had returned. It’s all rather muddled.

Bluekerfuffle · 08/02/2023 17:51

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:39

In my opinion he's acted completely unprofessionally, criticised and belittled the efforts off the police search team without knowing the full facts, undermined the investigation and personally caused some of the speculation.

I really don't want to hear about his 'shoe on the riverbank' or 'howling dog' cases, or about his 20 years of expertness again. Nor about his 'top of the range', really expensive and better than anyone else's £55k sonar.

He sounds like a golf-club bore boring on about his new job and car.

Just my opinion.

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Yes, I agree too. It was very good of him to offer and provide his services, but he could have done it with a bit less mouth-flapping.