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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 4

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:28

www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066

Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

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pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:15

Walkinmeshoes · 08/02/2023 17:11

@Cassie4 it's tidal beyond the weir I believe.
The tree next to the bench has a sign that warns people of deep water.
The local angling club says there are areas of the river that are dangerous.
In the area of the river across from the bench there's a spot called 'deep hole' which says it all (!) on one of the fishing maps but then I'm pretty sure I read that over the last 150 days the level has been between 0cm and 2.51 m so not especially deep particularly at the edge.
When you look at the size of the Wyre close to Fleetwood you realise the chances of finding her are poor if she drowned...

The level's been below 60cm since it happened, but that's a notional depth and doesn't take account of deep places in the river bed, particularly at bends.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:16

The only explanation that really makes sense so far, if you trust the police know what they are doing, is that they actually do believe there is foul play, they have a suspect, but they have to let this play out until the suspect slips up as they have no evidence to convict at the moment.

I think this is a stretch though but it might explain the contradictions from SI Riley. They always say it's hard to keep up a lie...

placemats · 08/02/2023 17:16

lifeturnsonadime · 08/02/2023 17:04

There would have been signs or sounds from an altercation.

If they had left the dog they certainly wouldn't have taken the time to tie it up.

Of all the possible scenarios this seems so far fetched.

No one noticed the missing dog apart from the sighting at 9.35am when someone tied the dog up, put the phone on the bench and went on to an urgent appointment. There's a timeline of hours before the police were involved. Lots of sightings of people around the 9am time on CCTV. So it's quite possible to say that if no one was in the area then no one would have seen or heard an altercation, if one took place.

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 17:17

melonraspberry · 08/02/2023 17:14

@Qwayserdeyas yes I’ve heard PF say that twice now. But if no one saw her, how do they know ?

Could he just mean 'presumed' entry point? As in, as part of the hypothesis

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Mamma2017 · 08/02/2023 17:19

Do we know for sure the witness sightings are accurate? Was it 100% her that was seen in the top field?

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:19

"Peter Faulding has a professional reputation to uphold"

Well he seems to have had one.

Stiginthedump · 08/02/2023 17:19

I can't understand, say she was abducted, why did the dog not follow her. Did someone put the dog behind the gate so it couldn't follow? Is the dog not able to get through the gate? I haven't seen any pictures of it.

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 17:20

Mamma2017 · 08/02/2023 17:19

Do we know for sure the witness sightings are accurate? Was it 100% her that was seen in the top field?

I know one of the dog walkers definitely saw her and their dogs interacted. That was lower field I think though.

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LadyHarmby · 08/02/2023 17:20

neurospicygal · 08/02/2023 17:14

they are not being thorough enough so far then :(

I don’t know. The first few days if you remember, there were lots of people out searching for her. Groups from the village and so on.

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 17:21

LadyHarmby · 08/02/2023 17:20

I don’t know. The first few days if you remember, there were lots of people out searching for her. Groups from the village and so on.

The maps I saw online that were given out at the tennis club seemed to focus on the banks of the river

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LadyOfTheCanyon · 08/02/2023 17:22

Mamma2017 · 08/02/2023 17:19

Do we know for sure the witness sightings are accurate? Was it 100% her that was seen in the top field?

I have wondered this too, but if it wasn't, wouldn't the person who is was have come forward to eliminate themselves from the enquiry?

I think the witness saw Willow as well, narrowing it down further to a positive sighting.

placemats · 08/02/2023 17:22

The only person who knows what state the dog was in was the person who tied them up to the bench.

OneFrenchEgg · 08/02/2023 17:22

Who would know her phone call was in to a teams meeting and on mute? Attacking someone on the phone is risky surely?

whitebreadjamsandwich · 08/02/2023 17:23

She may well be in the river even if they can't find her. A woman local to us was seen falling in to a river a few months back, and her body has never been recovered despite long searches. I really don't know what to think

OhmygodDont · 08/02/2023 17:24

The problem is the police just don’t seem to be that great in missing persons cases at all. I went missing as a child for a week! I was online on msn messenger chatting away to friends, in the place I’d decided to run away too, no adults as the owners of house where on holiday and just left a teenager child home alone. I’d even messaged all my friends telling them to block my old msn as my parents were on it not me. Had my trusty motarola phone. Still took them a week to find me 😅 and I should have been pretty easy to find I was online all the time, I’d even gone to the local shop with said teenager multiple times.

MrsRosieBrew · 08/02/2023 17:25

Re. the wild wee, she could just as easily have quickly nipped over the stile behind the bench to hide in one of the bushes edging the field (if indeed the field is edged by bushes). And not returned hence dog ‘agitated between stile and bench’ rather than bench and water.

If you remove the fact that there’s a large body of water nearby (potentially dangerous indeed) there’s more suggestion that it is in the field that something unknown happened. NB was last seen in the field. Dog agitated between field and bench. But investigators say they are certain on river, they must have good reason to be.

RubyPip · 08/02/2023 17:25

Either she or someone else put the phone on the bench.

If she did, why? Why not put it in your pocket? And if someone else put it there - wouldn't it make more sense to throw it in the river, and the dog harness, to cover your tracks and not have a specific area for the police to focus on?

It does make sense if you presume she didn't want her phone getting wet while she went to the riverbank for some reason.

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:25

pigsinoodies · 08/02/2023 17:19

"Peter Faulding has a professional reputation to uphold"

Well he seems to have had one.

Oh come on, the man's an expert in his field, has obviously built up a reputation big enough to be brought in by several police forces in the south and south east of England in these types of cases, has spent twenty odd years studying rivers and waterways, how they behave and how bodies behave within them. He has specialist equipment that goes beyond what police forces have.

I'd say his reputation remains intact.

Meanwhile we have a police officer from Lancashire Constabulary who can't get their story straight, police divers who didn't search upstream from the bench, and who are still working on the sole assumption that she went into the water.

confounded234 · 08/02/2023 17:26

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:25

Oh come on, the man's an expert in his field, has obviously built up a reputation big enough to be brought in by several police forces in the south and south east of England in these types of cases, has spent twenty odd years studying rivers and waterways, how they behave and how bodies behave within them. He has specialist equipment that goes beyond what police forces have.

I'd say his reputation remains intact.

Meanwhile we have a police officer from Lancashire Constabulary who can't get their story straight, police divers who didn't search upstream from the bench, and who are still working on the sole assumption that she went into the water.

This ^

Diverging · 08/02/2023 17:28

The only explanation that really makes sense so far, if you trust the police know what they are doing, is that they actually do believe there is foul play, they have a suspect, but they have to let this play out until the suspect slips up as they have no evidence to convict at the moment.

That would be the only redeeming scenario for this police force. Because if that isn’t true then it means people on these threads have been doing a better job than the police which is disgraceful. But sadly not unpredictable.

Mirabai · 08/02/2023 17:29

whitebreadjamsandwich · 08/02/2023 17:23

She may well be in the river even if they can't find her. A woman local to us was seen falling in to a river a few months back, and her body has never been recovered despite long searches. I really don't know what to think

This is always a strong possibility and obviously the one the police are pursuing.

Which river was it out of interest?

madeyemoody · 08/02/2023 17:29

@Goldpaw yes facts are terribly important to Peter Faulding who last week was incredulous as to why the police hadn't found her as the river wasn't tidal. Compared to this week where he claims the search is harder because it's tidal.

The man is very big on facts it would seem.

DarkOphelia · 08/02/2023 17:29

Twenty years ago, I was involved in a case where someone seemingly vanished into thin air. It is one of the reasons why I am pretty sure her partner is not involved, because what he is saying in interviews is exactly how the people I knew responded when their loved one just disappeared in a very short space of time in what appeared to be very bizarre circumstances. Their minds constantly glitched on the situation not making any sense, just as his is doing.

In the case I was involved in, the person was found. But what had happened was both bonkers and yet made total sense in the end. She had fallen from a moderate height, trying to cross from one balcony to another, hit the ground, broken a leg (but not bled) and then for some odd reason, crawled under a parked truck just two feet from where she landed and passed out. The reason why no one could find her was because no-one thought to look under the truck and, of course, she couldn't answer when they were calling out her name because she was unconscious.

Of course, at the time, there were wild fears that someone had broken into the apartment, that she'd been abducted, that someone had been hiding in a closet ... had it gone on for a few days or so, and the lass died under the truck without being found and no one had moved it, no doubt, people would have started saying her parents were involved.

These things always make sense somehow, even if foul play is involved. I have a gut feeling NB didn't enter the water by the bench. The last sighting is in the field; that is where you have to start. There's no clear evidence she was ever near the bench, even if her dog and her phone were found around there.

Likewise, there's no evidence she wasn't near the bench. Maybe she walked past it. Maybe the dog started fussing as the teams meeting ended, she pulled out the harness, while putting her phone in her pocket, and when she got further up the path, she realised she was still logged into her teams meeting, but when she tried to find her phone, she realised she'd dropped it when she was dealing with the dog, and she retraced her steps past the bench (not seeing her phone) and thought she'd just look beyond the gate, but didn't want to take the dog through it again.

Or maybe she did take the dog through it again, and the dog simply went back through the gate at a later point with its harness in its mouth (the gate appears to be dog accessible one way but not the other).

The starting point is the field. From that point, she could be anywhere.

Bluekerfuffle · 08/02/2023 17:30

Goldpaw · 08/02/2023 17:05

A few pages ago someone said they wouldn't mind allowing the police to search their house and garage without a warrant.

I wouldn't because a search can mean ransacking the place and ripping up the floorboards like they did with Colin Jeffries, the poor man!

So I'd say no and wait for them to be given a warrant, which I think only comes when they have good cause to require one.

If they're sticking with this belief of her falling in then no one is going to give them a warrant to search the house across the river.

Do you mean Christopher Jefferies?

RubyPip · 08/02/2023 17:31

OhmygodDont · 08/02/2023 17:24

The problem is the police just don’t seem to be that great in missing persons cases at all. I went missing as a child for a week! I was online on msn messenger chatting away to friends, in the place I’d decided to run away too, no adults as the owners of house where on holiday and just left a teenager child home alone. I’d even messaged all my friends telling them to block my old msn as my parents were on it not me. Had my trusty motarola phone. Still took them a week to find me 😅 and I should have been pretty easy to find I was online all the time, I’d even gone to the local shop with said teenager multiple times.

I was 'missing' as a child for four days. Back in the 80s.

I ran away from home and hid in a friend's house, she was a little older than me and her mum was away. I remember hiding in her wardrobe when the police came around to ask if she had seen me, they didn't even come in to check but believed her when she said no.

Other friends knew where I was too because I'd planned it all, and they said they had no idea too!

Awful to think of now really.

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