Page 11 | Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 3

ofwarren · 2023-02-07T14:06:46+00:00

I couldn't see another post so thought I'd create one. There is a police press conference this afternoon. I can't see a time for this but it's sounding like a routine one.

BlueSphere · 07/02/2023 17:00

"they were here straight here that day Nicola went in"

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:00

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 16:59

No they haven't. You'd have thought a sensible thing would have been to put a camera above there, if there isn't one already. Any body isn't getting through there without being seen. And it's hard to see how in low flow, a body would get across that weir. This weir is just a few hundred yards from the bench, maybe closer.

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Yes, the weir was mentioned last week.
They said it would be possible for a body to go over it.

BlueSphere · 07/02/2023 17:02

BlueSphere · 07/02/2023 16:58

Watch this video

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11723099/Diving-expert-leading-hunt-Nicola-Bulley-asks-partner-enemies-stalkers.html#v-4751013328855254554

Pay especially attention from 40s the diving expert says "when Nicola went in" ... slip of the tongue? Maybe they do have evidence that she went in but are puzzled why she cannot be found? Odd, odd odd!

So, did she go in and swam away? Crossed the river?

watcherintherye · 07/02/2023 17:02

Posters on Twitter are saying that the police have ruled out her leaving the park because the gates are covered by CCTV and been checked.

I can’t imagine the Police would actually give credibility to something that simplistic? I have wondered how they can be sure that she didn’t leave the park, though. If there are houses backing on to the park, with access, and boundary hedges etc. then there will have been any number of routes out, whether by her own volition or by force. Detectives will think of that, won’t they?

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:04

weightymatters73 · 07/02/2023 16:47

It's highly likely she is in the river, I have to be honest until a friend got into trouble near a river I was utterly unaware of the dangers - in his case he fell, hit his head and came to floating in the river. If he had not come to, he would have been dead.

Bodies can go missing for extended periods in rivers particularly if they have snagged on something underwater...I don't understand the private diver who says she will be close to where she fell in...if its a river of sufficient depth, she could be miles downstream.

Honestly.,@weightymatters73 unless you are qualified specialist diver it might serve you well to read what he has said rather than making up your own theory.

Just because you 'don't understand it' means you have no experience, not that he is wrong.

Surely you don't think you know better?

Everything you are speculating has been discussed in detail in his comments.

1 Drowned people usually end up no more than 10 mtrs from where they fell.
2 They stay there till they decompose, then float and move around.
3 The water was shallow.
4 The river was not fast flowing at the spot she was seen, or nearby.

Return2thebasic · 07/02/2023 17:04

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 16:55

Well that's what he says, years.

Do you not think that the North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit, who cover the whole area from Abersoch to the Scottish Borders also have significant expertise and have been doing it for years?

The difference is that they don't go in for self-promotion and don't go on TV criticising the work if other organisations.

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I think he's just overly confident. He thought based on his experience all these years, he'd seen enough to be sure. Hence he made claim about this and that. But each time, with a closer look, he realised things aren't as simple as he experienced. So he changed his tone a couple of times.

I don't think he's I'll intended, honestly. But I'd think he should have learned to keep his "guy feeling" and "confidence" to himself. He's recruited to find her in water, not to give opinions simply based on what he thought at that moment. It would have avoided the shift if tone across the days.

Any rightfully, police aren't a bunch of idiots knowing nothing and does nothing. They are a collection of capable (and incapable) group of people who have their own specialises in their own area.

It's overly simplistic to cite the one "expert" said against the entire police team. He knows what he knows, but there are lots of things police may not necessarily share with him. So throwing out a third party involvement is rather unhelpful without any evidence.

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:05

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:00

Yes, the weir was mentioned last week.
They said it would be possible for a body to go over it.

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Looks tricky in that photo with not much flow. Maybe it's different now though I don't know.

lalalalalaalalala · 07/02/2023 17:06

The police could throw a human dummy in the river that weighs approximately the same as Nicola. That way they could reconstruct how a body would travel in this river in the current climate.

Mirabai · 07/02/2023 17:08

Bunniesue · 07/02/2023 16:50

He has his own agenda. Note how he primarily said no way she's in there but if she is we will find her in a day, to actually it is likely she is but it will take several days, to now covering all bases and saying its probable it was something else entirely. Sure he provided his services for free, but not before making sure his name and that of his business have been plastered all over the news.

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What he actually said was that he’d worked on cases with long searches and then his sonar equipment (which is higher frequency than those used in police searches) found the person within the day.

Now he’s on site he can break down the areas to be covered each day and say exactly how long it will take to cover them.

He’s out there actively searching for NB and you’re on the internet wingeing - I know who I have more time for.

Goldpaw · 07/02/2023 17:08

SGI work in Hampshire, Thames Valley, Surrey, Sussex and Kent.

Rivers there may not be like rivers in other parts of the country. Although saying that, the area the Wyre goes through is very flat and good farmland similar to the SE, so perhaps similar apart from it coming out onto Morecambe Bay with its fast and unpredictable currents, and massive tidal range.

I wouldn't have said the Wyre at that point was particularly unpredictable though.

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:09

Return2thebasic · 07/02/2023 17:04

I think he's just overly confident. He thought based on his experience all these years, he'd seen enough to be sure. Hence he made claim about this and that. But each time, with a closer look, he realised things aren't as simple as he experienced. So he changed his tone a couple of times.

I don't think he's I'll intended, honestly. But I'd think he should have learned to keep his "guy feeling" and "confidence" to himself. He's recruited to find her in water, not to give opinions simply based on what he thought at that moment. It would have avoided the shift if tone across the days.

Any rightfully, police aren't a bunch of idiots knowing nothing and does nothing. They are a collection of capable (and incapable) group of people who have their own specialises in their own area.

It's overly simplistic to cite the one "expert" said against the entire police team. He knows what he knows, but there are lots of things police may not necessarily share with him. So throwing out a third party involvement is rather unhelpful without any evidence.

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So how is it that other police officers, mainly retired (there is one from Dorset at the moment speaking) saying that the investigation ought to be given to someone else as they have been shown to be incompetent.

As just a member of the public, I am just astounded the police ruled out foul play and focused on the river.

They say they are considering all options but it has never come across as that.

They appear to have latched onto her falling in the river and that's that.

Of course, there could still be foul play and she ended up in the river 'afterwards'.

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:11

From SI Riley in the presser "'Because there is no criminal evidence yet identified and we don't expect there to be in this inquiry," That doesn't sound like someone who is open minded to me. Why are they so sure she is in the river above anything else?

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:11

lalalalalaalalala · 07/02/2023 17:06

The police could throw a human dummy in the river that weighs approximately the same as Nicola. That way they could reconstruct how a body would travel in this river in the current climate.

No dummy needed. They could and should have worked out the current in mph and the depth, and analysed how far someone could drift in so many minutes or hours. Stats like this are done all the time.

madeyemoody · 07/02/2023 17:11

I get bad narc vibes from this Peter Faulding, he did nothing but slate the Lancs Police when his offer was turned down, then when the family asked for him he is singing their praises. Before he was asked to help he stupidly posted vile comments about the police wasting their time with their gear, that their equipment couldn't find a body even if it was there. He went on to say that if he was there he would find her in a day...well Pete it's day two and here we are...

He's horrid. Every few hours he's in front of the cameras instead of searching.

He is the kind of attention seeker that when no body is found he will point blank say it couldn't be him failing and purposely fuel more conspiracy theories.

pigsinoodies · 07/02/2023 17:11

watcherintherye · 07/02/2023 17:02

Posters on Twitter are saying that the police have ruled out her leaving the park because the gates are covered by CCTV and been checked.

I can’t imagine the Police would actually give credibility to something that simplistic? I have wondered how they can be sure that she didn’t leave the park, though. If there are houses backing on to the park, with access, and boundary hedges etc. then there will have been any number of routes out, whether by her own volition or by force. Detectives will think of that, won’t they?

It's not a park and the only houses adjoining it are the two caravan parks already discussed. while it's apparently possible to get in to both caravan parks the police have already stated that they've seen CCTV footage and are satisfied that didn't happen.

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:13

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:11

From SI Riley in the presser "'Because there is no criminal evidence yet identified and we don't expect there to be in this inquiry," That doesn't sound like someone who is open minded to me. Why are they so sure she is in the river above anything else?

Possibly because they know they have cocked up and other chance of finding her anywhere else, so in the end they will just say' swept out to sea'.

I wish that woman would give her head a wobble.

Lack of evidence doesn't mean there is none. It just means the police have not found any.

Idiots.

justgettingthroughtheday · 07/02/2023 17:14

Let's be honest if the police can't even get the name of the road the path leads to correct how can we have much confidence in them?

Untitledsquatboulder · 07/02/2023 17:14

They say they are considering all options but it has never come across as that

Yes it has if you look at what they are doing and not just what they are saying. They wouldn't have been reviewing all the cctv footage, appealing for witnesses and taking statements if they were convinced it could only be a straightforward case of misadventure by drowning - that's just the most likely explanation based on the evidence or lack of it.

Togoodtobeforgotten · 07/02/2023 17:15

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:09

So how is it that other police officers, mainly retired (there is one from Dorset at the moment speaking) saying that the investigation ought to be given to someone else as they have been shown to be incompetent.

As just a member of the public, I am just astounded the police ruled out foul play and focused on the river.

They say they are considering all options but it has never come across as that.

They appear to have latched onto her falling in the river and that's that.

Of course, there could still be foul play and she ended up in the river 'afterwards'.

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I really don't think there is the timespan for foul play 10/20 mins? For someone to do something untoward and hide her without being seen? Or hearing Nicola? If she had been attacked she would have screamed out and someone would have heard and her dog I presume would have barked or howled at its owner being hurt??? Had the timeframe been longer then it could be considered but I can't see that to be honest. I seriously think she's in the river or just walked away.

SparkleBrows · 07/02/2023 17:15

teamonster34 · 07/02/2023 16:46

I think it is rather suspicious that the CCTV camera at the caravan park was broken when she disappeared. Could it have been deliberately tampered with so there is no evidence of her disappearing. In this case I think the 2 scenarios are she has gone off of her own accord with someone pre planning the CCTV to not be working or someone has abducted her and the phone and dog were left specifically to make the police think she had entered the river.

I do enjoy reading thrillers and it does sound far fetched but what other explanation is there!!

I think you'll find a lot of CCTV cameras routinely don't work. I've worked in three schools in the last 10 years. All have cameras, but they were only operational at one.

I don't find it surprising at all that one camera might be out at a caravan site

justgettingthroughtheday · 07/02/2023 17:15

@pigsinoodies there are other properties backing onto those fields not just the caravan parks. It would not surprise me at all if one or more had an unofficial entrance into their back garden!

confounded234 · 07/02/2023 17:16

Untitledsquatboulder · 07/02/2023 17:14

They say they are considering all options but it has never come across as that

Yes it has if you look at what they are doing and not just what they are saying. They wouldn't have been reviewing all the cctv footage, appealing for witnesses and taking statements if they were convinced it could only be a straightforward case of misadventure by drowning - that's just the most likely explanation based on the evidence or lack of it.

Unfortunately, the Superintendent said that 'Because there is no criminal evidence yet identified and we don't expect there to be in this inquiry," That doesnt' sound like someone covering all bases to me.

AIBUYesofCourse · 07/02/2023 17:16

justgettingthroughtheday · 07/02/2023 17:14

Let's be honest if the police can't even get the name of the road the path leads to correct how can we have much confidence in them?

and they couldn't get her clothing correct.
Evidently it was an ankle length gilet and a jacket underneath that. When in fact is looks like a knee length coat.

The CCTV was only released many days after she went missing.

Cocobutt · 07/02/2023 17:16

What I don’t understand is I’ve read that her phone was connected to a work call.

So if she was on the phone to someone surely they would have heard something like a scream or a splash or her saying can you hold on a second I need to…

The theory is that she went to retrieve a ball from the water or something and then fell in/dog pushed her - but why would you leave the phone on the bench if that was the case. And if you were going to put it down for a minute you would have told the person on the other end.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 07/02/2023 17:16

justgettingthroughtheday · 07/02/2023 17:14

Let's be honest if the police can't even get the name of the road the path leads to correct how can we have much confidence in them?

To be fair to the police Blackpool Lane is a very short stretch, to the East of Allotment lane it is Garstang Road to the west of hall lane it Blackpool Road, a slip up in those circumstances is easy