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Quia · 05/08/2022 14:39

Cantanka · 05/08/2022 14:13

I will stand corrected but my understanding is that the appeal to the Supreme Court was in relation to the decision of the Court of Appeal not to stay the withdrawal of treatment. They weren’t appealing the refusal of permission to appeal, because they have no right to. However the court of appeal made a substantive decision in relation to a stay of the order, which they could appeal.

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Ah, that makes sense. So if the CA refuses permission to appeal this time, they can't go to Supreme Court.

stillherenow · 05/08/2022 14:41

What is so awful is that I can't see her being able to be in the room as he goes, as she just won't allow it.

TiddyTidTwo · 05/08/2022 14:42

This is abhorrent. How many appeals can there be for gods sake!

KF (as a PP mentioned upthread) is absolutely brutal so be aware before you look. However, what I will say it's absolutely obvious that every single poster on there wants what is right for Archie.

picklemewalnuts · 05/08/2022 14:42

"If she had the humility to say, "OK I've listened to all of the doctors, the nurses, the judges, and heard what they have to say, and I understand that it's the only way forward," "

But she doesn't.
The other mothers who have behaved differently are amazing, dignified, extraordinary women.

For whatever reason, this woman isn't like them. Her thought processes, her previous life experiences, whatever the reason, she's experiencing this in a different way. She's lost, adrift from rational behaviour.

mama93345 · 05/08/2022 14:44

As I said in a PP, my hope for one 'positive' outcome from this whole sorry mess is that a team of shit hot lawyers are funded to scrutinise whether the mother herself and/ or the disgusting people leading the organisations who've exploited this situation can face any criminal charges. Surely no one, however much grief they're feeling, can be allowed to get away with saying and writing downright lies? Some of the things written about the hospital and staff are not just disgusting they're patently untrue. And the organisations which have fuelled this case for their own agendas ... I mean I wonder whether a case can be made for incitement to violence, threatening behaviour or something?

It's absolutely right that the court process is open to people and the right to appeal etc, it's a fundamental part of democracy. But they should do so in the full knowledge that lying, slander and threats have no place in civilised society.

Frankly these people deserve the book thrown at them. If they haven't said or written anything untruthful about the hospital and the care given to Archie, they have nothing to fear. On the other hand....

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/08/2022 14:45

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if she pursued legal action against the hospital/staff afterwards. There's already been mention of 'Archie Army's Law' which I'm sure she'll try and pursue as well. However, as others have pointed out already, interest will dwindle once he's gone and she'll have to deal with reality. I'm assuming there'll be an inquest and I don't know if that means there'll have to be a post mortem?

thereisonlyoneofme · 05/08/2022 14:47

Well who would sue them, the Hospital wouldnt. I just hope the next step wont be applying for legal aid to sue the Hospital.

BarbarasStripedHands · 05/08/2022 14:48

BloodAndFire · 05/08/2022 14:35

£34,486 and counting on the GoFundMe.

Expect that to increase if she says she's going to sue....

Quia · 05/08/2022 14:49

GirlInACountrySong · 05/08/2022 14:21

i don't believe that. I think the whole push for his death is in fact for his serums, his cells, his organs. There is no other resason to all of a sudden give him double vasopressin. He is not necrotic anywhere....he is very much alive all over

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That's a post from the Archie's Army page. This is the level of hideous behaviour....often Hollie herself is tagged. That group needs shutting down. They are trying to find out doctors names. Dangerous

It's frightening that people go through at least 11 years of compulsory education yet emerge capable of coming up with something as utterly illogical and stupid as this. We really need basic critical thinking to be a central part of the curriculum from at least around age 8 onwards.

Quia · 05/08/2022 14:53

thereisonlyoneofme · 05/08/2022 14:47

Well who would sue them, the Hospital wouldnt. I just hope the next step wont be applying for legal aid to sue the Hospital.

I can't see her getting it. She would need to be able to make a case for saying she had at least a 50% chance of success.

Motorina · 05/08/2022 14:57

Apologies if it's been posted already. Does anyone have the link to the latest ruling, please?

AlternativelyWired · 05/08/2022 14:59

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/FD22P00346-Battersbee-5-August-2022-Judgment-Final-Approved.pdf

Invisiblegiraffe · 05/08/2022 15:00

mama93345 · 05/08/2022 14:44

As I said in a PP, my hope for one 'positive' outcome from this whole sorry mess is that a team of shit hot lawyers are funded to scrutinise whether the mother herself and/ or the disgusting people leading the organisations who've exploited this situation can face any criminal charges. Surely no one, however much grief they're feeling, can be allowed to get away with saying and writing downright lies? Some of the things written about the hospital and staff are not just disgusting they're patently untrue. And the organisations which have fuelled this case for their own agendas ... I mean I wonder whether a case can be made for incitement to violence, threatening behaviour or something?

It's absolutely right that the court process is open to people and the right to appeal etc, it's a fundamental part of democracy. But they should do so in the full knowledge that lying, slander and threats have no place in civilised society.

Frankly these people deserve the book thrown at them. If they haven't said or written anything untruthful about the hospital and the care given to Archie, they have nothing to fear. On the other hand....

You want to find a team of shit hot lawyer s to bring criminal charges against a woman who's lost her child in terrible circumstances ? How sick .

1blossomtree · 05/08/2022 15:03

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/08/2022 13:48

The Victorian’s used to prop up their recently dead and put them in various poses for family photos and what is being plastered all over Facebook isn much different now.

Wasn't that at least partly about having a photo of someone who maybe you had no photographs of at all? So perhaps a better comparison would be with memory boxes rather than people oversharing on social media.

The victorians did a lot of things which we now wouldn't ever consider in a civilised society.

Beyond that, the videos/photos of Archie aren't of him nicely dresssed and posed.

itsgettingweird · 05/08/2022 15:04

Well it's her right to attempt to sue and to report to GMC as it is her right to all these appeals.

That's why we are a democratic country.

Where I think we fail is that if and when she pursues this then all the details of what she's said and posted will come out as part of the evidence.

And no one will do anything because she's a grieving mum and we are crap at holding people to account t for their behaviour in this country. I think we wouldn't even has this issue on what's being posted online if we weren't.

I don't mean shutting down freedom of speech. I mean holding people account for actual slander.

mama93345 · 05/08/2022 15:04

@Invisiblegiraffe read my post.

mama93345 · 05/08/2022 15:10

*@itsgettingweird

I don't mean shutting down freedom of speech. I mean holding people account for actual slander.*

Exactly. With right come responsibilities.
Archie's mother has the right to go to appeal after appeal if that's what she wants to do- it's essential the court process exists.
What no one has is the right to lie, slander, threaten other people. Grief isn't some kind of card that lets you off the hook.

Motorina · 05/08/2022 15:13

AlternativelyWired · 05/08/2022 14:59

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/FD22P00346-Battersbee-5-August-2022-Judgment-Final-Approved.pdf

Thankyou

GirlInACountrySong · 05/08/2022 15:19

So they could t name any doctors or even countries, who had supposedly come forward to offer treatment. It was a lie

HappyHamsters · 05/08/2022 15:20

Serums? Wtf are serums. Do they even know what vasopressin or necrosis is, why isnt that site closed down.

x2boys · 05/08/2022 15:26

HappyHamsters · 05/08/2022 15:20

Serums? Wtf are serums. Do they even know what vasopressin or necrosis is, why isnt that site closed down.

Of course they dont ,most of them a barely literate and believe everything that's told to them and they are too ignorant to realise just how thick they sound .

LittleTiger007 · 05/08/2022 15:27

This whole story is tragic. I understand that the family are beyond grief stricken but do not understand why they are pushing for him to die in a hospice.

A hospice is a place where people go to die. They do not have machines keeping them alive. They cease care and treatment as there is no more to give and they have a peaceful place to die naturally. The sad fact is that Archie is already dead but the machines are keeping his heart pumping and his body warm. If they move him to a hospice he will be removed from machines and will be dead in transit. This is what the family have been told and it’s how this will work. Why can they not see the facts?

They simply are so angry with the hospital that they don’t want it to happen in the hospital. So many of us have been bereaved and you just don’t get to make those choices very often. My family had to say goodbye to our ten year old nephew who died in his sleep - in A&E behind a curtain. Life can be tragic and their demanding that things be different will not change facts.

GreatBigExpectations · 05/08/2022 15:28

Pansypotter123 · 05/08/2022 08:35

Hopefully the medical teams are oblivious to the rants of the "Army", but we don't know how the family is conducting itself on the ward though.

During covid those of us redeployed to ICU were told to avoid social media for our own sanity.

Dixiechickonhols · 05/08/2022 15:28

Thank you for sharing the judgments. I’ve been impressed by the clarity and compassion that comes across despite the very rushed timescales.

bathsh3ba · 05/08/2022 15:32

I've fortunately never been in a situation like this family, though I've been involved in decisions to discontinue life support measures for very elderly relatives.

However, I'm uncomfortably reminded of a difficult few months when my youngest was a baby. When she was 6 weeks old we found out she probably had a rare condition that would need surgery by a neurosurgeon. I was petrified. My sister has profound and multiple learning difficulties and I was so scared my baby would too. Her appointment wouldn't be for another 3 months and I just wasn't coping. One day I drove my baby in tears to the specialist unit and demanded to be seen. They didn't move her appointment forward but I was treated with such compassion, they took the time to talk to me and explain the delay wouldn't cause any issues. My baby was taken by the play specialist for a cuddle so she wouldn't hear me cry and brought back for hugs when I was calmer. In retrospect, I was putting my needs before my baby's. All she cared about was that I fed her, cuddled her, interacted with her. She was 'healthy'. But I was consumed with this fear.

A few months later she had her appointment, then the surgery and, as scary as it was, it all went well and she's now a healthy 14yo. But I'll never forget the compassion everyone showed towards a terrified mum who really wasn't coping, probably wasn't putting her baby first (even though she was fed, clothed, clean, hugged a bit too much if anything) and was taking up their valuable time unnecessarily. The HV was also great, she delayed doing any PND tests till after surgery as she said they wouldn't be accurate as I was under stress.

My point from all this is that I am sure the staff are used to dealing with parents in distress and are doing the best they can. I also recognise that at times of stress even good parents act irrationally. For Archie's sake, I hope this comes to an end soon as it doesn't seem possible he is going to recover and the whole family need to heal.