Archie Battersbee thread 5

[henryhihat]

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It's so bizzare! Someone has spoken sense on there and been shut down. Someone else also said similar in regards to the hopsital and been shut down.
Before anyone who mentioned about what was said in court were thrown out the group and deleted. I get it's a 'supportive' group but there's only one narrative allowed

I really can't see any chance of any legal claim getting off the ground, ditto any formal complaint. However, if Ms Dance continues to make public accusations there will come a time when action may have to be taken to protect innocent medics, and being a bereaved parent won't protect her. A fair amount will also depend on what comes out at the inquest.

The most recent judgment they have set out clearly in detail the level of care that is currently required to sustain him. It doesn’t require medical qualifications to understand all that simply cannot be done in a corridor/lift/ambulance.
I hope it doesn’t continue much longer. The judgment is very clear that the best interests of the child are not to delay further.

It does make me feel 'who'd be a medic' when skilled people going about their job properly can be subjected to this sort of vilification.
With the NHS on its knees, a severe shortage of nurses and other medical professionals I really hope against hope that the actions of HD and others isn't turning people away from training or working for the NHS, particularly in ICU roles. The potential knock on from this is really quite chilling.

It was easy to miss as it didn't get much publicity (if any), but they did get leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal. They got leave to appeal on Sunday and the appeal was on Monday. Having lost that appeal, they were then able to apply for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court, which was refused.

The "armies" in these cases give an insight into the psyche of a torch bearing mob circa 1300, frankly.

She's not a desperate mother trying her best for her child.

That is not how many see her, no. But it is how she sees herself, of course she does. She is convinced her child is alive and has either a chance of recovery, or a peaceful death over a few days in a hospice. Faced with this who wouldn't be desperate? (no matter that all the medical professionals all say that there is no hope, she believes what she believes)

It is a whole tragic hot mess.

You want to find a team of shit hot lawyer s to bring criminal charges against a woman who's lost her child in terrible circumstances ? How sick .

Yes. If she continues to slander the hospital and team who have continually worked to keep her child's body warm, then I hope the hospital do move forward with charges. I doubt they would but I think they should. She cannot continue to slander people and get away with it. Grief is not an excuse.

Thenhospice would not keep him on a ventilaor or infusions for days, it would all be turned off on his arrival. Goodness knows what happens if he suffers a cardiac arrest and dies enroute, he would be having ventilation and drugs pumped through a dead body which is awful.

I don't mean shutting down freedom of speech. I mean holding people account for actual slander

I know you do, itsgettingweird, but it couldn't be clearer that some would never accept Hollie being held accountable for anything - because "be kind"

And that's what I meant about some of these attitudes presenting dangers

I haven't been following this case, until the last few days..

I was wondering why they are not allowed move him to a hospice, (if the hospice will take him), the poor child is already clinically dead, the parents have stated they are prepared to risk him 'dying' en route, without any of his family beside him, so Archie won't be aware that he died in an ambulance or on the side of the street as it appears he actually died months ago. .

He won't suffer physically as a result of moving him, he won't suffer any distress, so if the family are prepared to pay the costs of the team and equipment to move him, why can't they do that ? Obviously with plenty of legal disclaimers etc.

Anyone know why the courts don't want this to allow this to happen ?

Someone has posted the link to the Courts decision which states all the reasons they dont feel it is safe or in his interests to be moved

I think you need to go back and read the post
many articulate and qualified people have explained it

Thank you, I will try to find that post.

the whole thing is so sad. and I feel for the family. but how many more appeals?
all this time away from him.

The link was posted at 14.59pm today

Agree.

Specially when the narrative always plays out that you have to be kind to the person it's decided is the victim.

"Be kind" though is just used to shut down debate and keep the non innocent innocent in the public eye.

It's so morally wrong it's sickening.

That court judgement is very good.

I'm very impressed with the language used.

I'm also slightly amused about why a respiratory consultant who hasn't practiced since 2008 would come to give evidence having read none of the actual medical notes.

Tbf to them though once they heard the evidence from the actual treating clinician they had the good grace to accept they were offering evidence about the minimal risks of moving to hospice based on years old statistics and having no actual knowledge about the condition of the person and how they fit into these statistics.

It's people like this who really shouldn't be getting involved as they should know better.

Then hospice would not keep him on a ventilaor or infusions for days, it would all be turned off on his arrival. Goodness knows what happens if he suffers a cardiac arrest and dies enroute, he would be having ventilation and drugs pumped through a dead body which is awful

** If he dies enroute would the Transfer Team be able to do anything , Archie is a DNAR - If he was pronounced Dead en Route would the transfer be aborted and take him back to TRL ? The Hospice would not be able to do anything .

** hypothetical Transfer Team as this is a Not Going To Happen situation.

Same as the Stem Cell Team who have soooo definitely contacted Holly . These Stem Cell Teams are like buses , nil for 4 months then four (un-named) hospitals leap out of the ether to offer to treat Arch

When are we likely to find out if the appeal will be heard?

I'm also slightly amused about why a respiratory consultant who hasn't practiced since 2008 would come to give evidence having read none of the actual medical notes.

I know quite a bit about how expert witnesses are instructed, so my assumption would be that no currently practising medical expert with a reputation to protect was prepared to touch this case with a ten foot pole.

Dr R may well be the CLC's 'go-to' expert for these cases, either because he shares their world view, or because the financial rewards on offer outweigh the reputational risk for him.

The judge's wording doesn't directly criticise him, but for those experienced in decoding judgely euphemisms, there's a strong undertone of 'why on earth are you getting involved in this?'

I am also confused why Archies brothers girlfriend was the family representative

@TiddyTidTwo Ironic how there's more genuine empathy for Archie on that thread than in the entire army put together.

Sigh.
Poor boy.