Archie Battersbee thread 5

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In what way and how do you know this?

Which sums up exactly how thick these supporters are.

Hopefully the medical teams are oblivious to the rants of the "Army", but we don't know how the family is conducting itself on the ward though.

Now is the time for the hospital to ban her until she stops her behaviour. No one has a right to abuse others or accuse them of murder, I don't give a fuck if she's grieving, it is not a get out of jail free card for her to say whatever she wants. If she cannot show respect to the doctors and nurses having to try and keep a corpse 'alive', then she's out the hospital.

His mother has said his tongues swollen and his eyes have changed and his meds have increased from 5 to 15 and something about now he's having 60% medication overnight.

100% agree @Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious

Yeah she’s posted a post talking about how he’s deteriorating over night and even posted a lovely picture of his urine output

Maybe Mum needs to be allowed to do the care, to 'resuscitate', to do all in her power and inevitably to fail. Maybe she ne3d to scream and shout, to rage and wail.

Archie is past being hurt by it. Just protect the staff, and equipment, and let it happen.

We've detached ourselves from reality with sanitised everything.

If this was a completely live and well child and a parent decided to pumps in their chest so hard it'll cause rib fractures what would society say?

We just cannot allow that because the child will be dead or dying at the time.

Causing harm to another remains the same definition in life as it does in death.

Can't remember where I read it or saw it but there have been cases of misconduct by coroners where they've been found not to treat bodies with respect.

And then the predictable posts following it. One sensible person has said why but I'm sure they'll be jumped on or the post deleted...why would they kill him after going through all this effort to keep him alive! Their logic doesn't make sense

Oh I should add I'm not suggesting no parent should be allowed to resuscitate a child.

But in this case I believe it'll be known to cause harm for no good and don't believe it should be allowed just because he won't feel it.

who would pull her off her child, though?

The doctor or nurse? The security guard?

No one can say to me she's doing what's best for him. Absolutely no one. And no crap about 'it's what a mother would do' either. No. She has taken any dignity he had and stripped him of it.

As awful as the army are the vast majority of people understand that the staff are working incredibly hard in very stressful environments
And doing everything in Archies interests
Let them rant away ,you can't argue with stupid .

The intention is different in those cases, though Weird.

I don't think it's about her 'rights as a parent', anymore, even if it ever was. It's just a howl of rage at what's happened. She's unable to process this in a rational, mature, intelligent way. She's about as culpable for her actions as a toddler.

Maybe you should have a 'right thinking' test before being allowed to take things to court.

As an aside from everything that has already been said, can you imagine how Archie’s poor friends and classmates feel about all this? What a shocking thing for other children to have to go through. How do you even explain any of this to your child?

Its so messed up.

I've said it before and I really do think this is not just desperation at losing a child, it's also motivated by guilt. Some irony in her asking the courts to give him dignity by authorising his move to a hospice. It's an awful, awful situation and the influence of social media has not been good.

Some cultures encourage the wailing, smearing with ashes, tearing at clothes... some cultures pay people to do it for you.
She needs to scream herself to exhaustion, and be put to bed.
She's unable to process her grief internally, in the socially acceptable way, so she's lashing out at everyone else. Destructive, but understandable.

The modern world is too sophisticated for us sometimes, giving grieving people the world stage and the courts to act out on. Generations back she'd have been doing this in the privacy of a smaller community, where she could do little harm.

@Soubriquet

Yeah she’s posted a post talking about how he’s deteriorating over night and even posted a lovely picture of his urine output

This has gone beyond the normal bounds of grief now hasn't it? Many of us have faced decisions about our loved ones' end of life care but surely there are limits as to what is acceptable and "normal" behaviour. I agree with PP - she had taken his dignity away from him now.

Isn’t inciting violence and defamation a crime? Presumably there is a risk that Holly will be arrested and charged with such offences once all this is over?

We're very determined as a society that everyone should be dignified and gracious at all times. People who lose their temper, express unbridled emotion in public, are disapproved of. Maturity = self control etc.
I get that, I feel it strongly myself. I hate the impact this has on the staff trapped in with the family. Their incredible resilience is beyond reproach.
That said, so what if people don't conform to that! What if people express what they are feeling, the rage, distress, disbelief etc.
'Do not go gently into that long goodnight,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light!'

What are you saying here? Of course a parent may be angry at the hand fate (or god if you believe in her) has dealt them and their child. They may not rail at the people who have spent months keeping his body sustained (in the best way they can). They may not incite deranged people on the internet. The kindest thing would be to take her internet enabled devices off her until this is over. Does she have no kind family member who can be firm with her on this?

I feel so desperately sorry for Dance, but she is not acting in her child's or her own best interests at this stage. It is like watching someone have a complete breakdown in public egged on by the CLC, the "Army" and the MSM who are playing along with it.

The hospital are giving her every chance to see that they are doing their best to please her while trying their best to look after their patient's interests. And when these things are in tension? that is what the court is for.

The courts have a role to play here too, in being super pedantic on some things they are also feeding into her mania. She must be told, for her own mental health, to stop and accept the inevitable. Is there anyone in her life actually really and honestly looking out for her? She needs a big hug, lots of them, and a lot of sympathy but she also needs kind but firm words.

She'll be claiming against the hospital. It's got the Army wound up so it's working.

I agree with this.

Social media and free speech being what it is, say what you like on your face book page ect.

However, i don't believe there shouldn't be physical consequences, bereaved mother or not.

ie: if you're online defaming the hospital staff at 7am don't expect to walk in there at 7.30 as if nothing has happened.

Doubly so as it's a face book page which everyone knows the world's media is watching.

I did watch the Louis Theroux documentary last night (thank you to whoever it was who posted the link), and even the dr’s over there were saying we’ve got to a point where people feel they need to hold on at all costs, that so many of those patients should be able to die and are prevented from doing so.

That said, the young man in the beginning who they said would be in a permanent vegetative state and who recovered against all the odds was remarkable.