Archie Battersbee - Thread 4

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I really dont think think it's appropriate too speculate in what Archie might have had to put up with in his life or about his mental state ,none of us know
This is an utter tragic situation, whilst Hollies behaviour is appalling ,she's a grieving mother .

It would be the same hospital staff who transferred him and turned off the ventilator if he was transferred, not the hospice staff.

Not all parents act in their children's best interests. That's why we have social services, children's services, the nspcc, childlike. If a parent didn't prioritise their child's best interests in life, they are unlikely to change that once they have died

The lawyers are demanding oxygen? For what possible reason?

Oh I see - because of this breathing he's going to do as the tube is removed. The breathing he no longer has a brain stem to achieve. Because if they can claim he took a breath or some number changed on the display etc they can claim for evermore that he wasn't really dead and the doctors were all wrong.

I am truly horrified as an atheist at the depths of depravity and cruelty the CLC descend to. And I know my most extremely religious friends would feel the same tbh.

I would imagine it is actionable. It's certainly an indirect threat that places someone in danger who has done nothing but try to help her son. It's despicable.

I completely understand that she is distraught, not in her right frame of mind etc. However, some of the slurs she has levelled at the hospital are nothing short of dangerous and must be in the realm of slander.

She had had lots of legal advice clearly, she should be advised on her words. These are real people she is talking about, real people who have given their lives to their careers. She is dangerous, should something happen e.g. in transit or for another unforeseen reason I don't for one second think she and her army won't try and sue these medical professionals.

In short, she is in a situation that you wouldn't wish on anyone. However, her words are callous and dangerous and she shouldn't get a free pass to say untruths about the hospital.

Right I keep going too far on this thread and I won't post any more. Anyone who wants to report my posts please do so if it risks the thread or upsets you.

She said something the other day about Archie's brother not being able to see him at the hospital. It wasn't very clear and it wasn't elaborated on, I wasn't sure if she meant his brother was too upset to go into the hospital or if he wasn't allowed to. I assumed the hospice thing was so they could all be together with him away from all that has gone before.

If he could be moved I think that would probably be very positive for her and the family, it doesn't matter to Archie as he is no longer with us.

Yet people seem to think it's ok for her to call those who will be traumatised after caring for him 24/7 for months "murderers" and "executors".

I'm a fan or believer of the be kind movement - as it excuses (rather than explains) the behaviour of people and allows these situations to escalate.

I have every sympathy for her.

But she needs to know she isn't acting in Archie's best interests.

The same way Laurent's who aren't acting in a Child's best interest in any sense have involvement of authority.

It's odd that when a parent thinks they have the right to assault a child and cause them pain and suffering that causes there death everyone wants to know where the authorities are.

Yet when a parent causes exactly the same to a child to prevent death - we should allow that to make the parent feel better?

She and her followers will blame whichever medical staff are unfortunate enough to be in the ambulance with Archie if he becomes legally dead enroute to a hospice.

Laws need to be made to stop this dreadful circus happening again. All of this should be behind closed doors and there should be an injunction to stop families posting pictures such as Ms Dance has posted of her brain dead child.

The CLC should be presented with the bill for the prolonged, unnecessary maintenance of Archie's body. They should also fund mental health support for Ms Dance, her family (provided externally of course, no way should the CLC be allowed to brainwash anyone further ) and all the health staff who have been impacted by this case.

I have no words which I would be able to write here to express my disgust and horror at the behaviour of the CLC.

I wonder if for Ms Dance, fighting for Archie has delayed having to think about the awful moment of finding him, and all the 'what if' moments that led to this sad event.

I don't think the hospital can safely move him. I'm not sure if the burden of dealing with this case should be transferred to hospice staff , sad as it is to say that.

There are no victories here .

What's the DFA?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62418257

In a statement, Ms Dance, said: "I pray that the High Court will do the right thing.

"If they refuse permission for us to take him to a hospice and for him to receive palliative oxygen it will simply be inhumane and nothing about Archie's 'dignity'.

"We will fight to the end for Archie's right to live."

Hollie Dance is deluded and dangerous.

How she can speak about Archie's "dignity" is breathtaking, given she has given him none.

I agree. I think many of her actions have been at best extremely unwise, but she must be totally burned out and these endless interviews, even though they do not challenge the complete nonsense she is talking about his condition and prognosis, are actually exploitative now.

I did weeks rather than months by my husbands bed having been told there was no hope (he wasn't on life support) It felt like every time I did get away to shut my eyes for a few minutes sleep I was fetched as they thought he was going. There were times I felt my legs were going to give way under me from sheer exhaustion. Hollie may be getting more rest than that, but she will still be in a state of high alert and also permanent fight mode due to her refusal to face the inevitable. It isn't healthy for mind or body, it is accomplishing nothing good and I wish that someone could find a way to get through to her to make this stop.

It's sad that no one has pulled her up about her choice of words. No family member or friend has made her try to make her see otherwise. If they even can do that who knows so either feel the same or just don't want to try..or she doesn't want to listen

This is a disgusting comment and it should not be allowed to be published on this website.

If these poor parents are dealing with the sort of people commenting on this thread (which they obviously are as several posters here work for the NHS), I am not surprised they feel like they are being victimised.

I know. It beggars rational understanding. If he cannot breathe without a breathing tube what use will oxygen be? It makes no sense whatsoever. I fear this is just the start of a whole string of demands over palliative care for the last moments.

Clearly we have been following two completely different stories. If you don't like a comment just report it.

That's a harsh image but the media deserve huge criticism.

I switched the TV off last night, it would have been on ITV early evening news. A news 'reporter' was outside the hospital and almost beside herself with excitement when she said something like, 'we're expecting Hollie Dance to come out here in about ten minutes to say something'.

The staged faux frenetic scene, the reporter's tone of voice, her excitement: it was absolutely exploitative, tasteless and disgusting. I've turned off all 'news' bulletins involving HD ever since. I do not wish to be party to this unethical media exploitation and its shockingly low standards of 'journalism'.

I've just turned the radio down now as the 11am news bulletin led with, 'The family of AB are fighting to get him out of hospital ...' No serious news broadcaster should be misleading its listeners like this.

Another thing that really, really angers me is how hypocritical these Christian groups are.

A woman's life in danger, requires a medical abortion to save her. No can do, it's God's plans.... however, someone who can't breath and survive without medical intervention - human rights issue to take it away. It's God's plan to keep him on life support and he will pass in his own time. Wtaf?

If you ever worked in a caring profession you’d be well aware that clinicians who are compassionate, professional and respectful to a patient and their family can still maintain their own personal views on a situation. It’s a bit of a reach to try and suggest that posters on an anonymous forum must be the same ones dealing with this family, or that possessing an opinion about a very public case makes you someone who ‘victimises’ others. Or that clinicians mustn’t express their personal views on very public medical cases.

Dignity For All. They are publishing coverage on Facebook.

What about other families/mothers/fathers that have loved ones in that ICU that are being disturbed by this? That are hearing her call the Drs and medical teams horrendous things? That are having to do a rat run to get inside the hospital due to press etc camped outside? That have to see the extra security that has to be brought in?

The situation and her reaction isn't common hence why it is all over the news.

Archie Battersbee thread 5 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/inthee_news/4604409-archie-battersbee-thread-5

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I realise that but nobody knows what Archies homelife was like or what Hollie.was l8ke as a mother it's all just speculation.