Archie Battersbee - Thread 4

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Even if Archie was stable enough for transfer, Hollie would then move the goalposts. She'd want longer time, and would then start battling the hospice staff just as she has the medical team at the hospital. Then will come legal action against the hospice and the circle will never end.

You'd have to have a heart of stone to not have some empathy for her situation but at some point, this simply does have to be put a stop to. For Archie.

What is the family trying to gain from moving him? They can say their goodbyes where he is surely?

In all this I can only think of archie.
If its true he attempted suicide, I can't imagine he would have wanted his body to be displayed this way and the media circus that has been drawn out.

Is there any legal way to stop this new request going through all the courts stages again, and then another request, and then another?

I KNOW how important it is to be able to appeal, but how does anything therefore ever come to a legal end point?

@wibblyWobblyLane we have absolutely no idea that she didn't. I spoke with a hospital based counsellor after my daughter was born and the initial prognosis was bad. She popped down to see me multiple times. We also have no idea if Hollie engaged with the counsellor. You can't MAKE people take help.

We were very lucky in that my daughter's prognosis was never absolute. We were told she had a 50/50 chance of survival which would improve if she lived more than 48 hours. Thanks to her amazing medical team she did.

This has been my thought all along.

Maybe that's what they want. If his heart stops when he's on the ventilator that's a win to them.

If you were a hospice manager you'd realise that the journey there is very likely to end his life.

Hospices are amazing places. My mum died at a Rowans hospice.

But she was well enough to be transferred when she went.

@Perplexed0522 we had a baby that was on picu, transferred to our local hospice about 25 minutes away. Absolutely lovely family. She died as the ambulance pulled into the car park. I think mum was with her. I hope she would. I think it really upset people that it happened like that. But I don't think anyone thought it would be as quick.

Awful that the media are still broadcasting interviews with her.

Her mental state is shot. She's talking utter nonsense and making serious slanderous statements about medical staff.

They are treating her like some kind of sideshow at the expense of everyone involved.

Do they interview with any other clearly mentally exhausted person who is talking complete rubbish about a very serious situation just because they are closely involved? No. It wouldn't be normally allowed. Why don't they stop?

I one of the hearings the family said he couldn't/ shouldn't have any more MRIs because he's too fragile to move.

This was actually upheld as such.

I mean it's one thing to allow her to exhaust all legal avenues for as long as it lasts.

It's quite another to publicly broadcast the muddled up rubbish she believes.

I do not understand at all how he could be moved. There are machines sustaining every single one of his bodily functions. You couldn't just pick up everything he is attached to and move it with him en masse. And when something is removed,which it would need to be, that would be it surely?
There is no way he can be moved to a hospice.

The court has already previously refused permission to move him from the hospital and this was backed again by the court on appeal. It was always obvious this would happen but it will be the third time permission has been asked to remove him and it's already been refused twice. I can't see it happening but of course that won't be enough because the family will then appeal the appeal. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another medical emergency to stall the process even further.

Sorry for asking but has the application for move to hospice physically been submitted? Is this a definite.
Could the court deliver decision within hours because they've already been over all the evidence so many times they must know it off by heart .

Then if it's declined , which it will be, then the family can appeal?
They just seem to be going round in circles.

I do feel for the Mum but seriously that poor child.

Agree with this.

I'm becoming quite distressed about this case.

I've met people who have the same way of being as Ms Dance - if you aren't with them - you're against them.

This poor young boy is being used as public weapon by his mum for her to get what she wants and nothing anyone says to her will change that.

By fighting for what she wants and calling it dignity she is stripping him of the little bit of that he has preserved.

I can totally sympathise with Ms dance. But I fear whatever decision is agreed - even if that is transfer to a hospice - someone somewhere will become a victim of her need to win.

I've just read somewhere that Hollie's story of how Archie ended up like this has changed a lot of times? Has it? All I've read is the "online challenge gone wrong"

That's all I've read. It seems so unlikely that was the case, but who really knows?

She will appeal the appeal. I can understand why she wants him in a hospice but its the hospital staff who would be transferring and looking after him if he was moved. I think she just doesnt want to see the ventilator and drugs turned off, each delay is causing stress on his body. Maybe she sees this as a more "natural" death which is her way of coping.

It changed multiple times in quite major ways. When, where, how she found him, what she did afterwards. And there's no evidence at all it was an online challenge - tiktok released a statement saying this. No evidence it was anything but a very very tragic attempt to take his own life.

I now suspect that she actually doesn’t want to be there, to see it happen.

Yes, it's possible that she thinks if his heart stops he's died naturally. She didn't give up on him.

But she also doesn't seem to acknowledge how unwell he is and says he's fine and making progress.

I think she's a very confused overwhelmed mum who is being pulled in all directions by those around her who should be doing a better job to support her. Not encourage her rage against the hospital and anyone really who doesn't agree with her.

I'm worried about her now. I'm even more worried for her once Archie does die.

I think she's a very confused overwhelmed mum who is being pulled in all directions by those around her who should be doing a better job to support her. Not encourage her rage against the hospital and anyone really who doesn't agree with her

A PP commented that the CLC were deliberately keeping her unbalanced which was astute, i thought

There are entire threads on here about people like. We usually advise people to go NC with them because they tend not to cope very well with situations they can't shout and bully their way out of.

its nothing short of murder in my eyes ...they're killing an innocent child that could have the potential to recover ..its shamefull

from her interview (I think yesterday)

She is still convinced he could recover....don't know if she has changed her view today