Archie Battersbee - Thread 4

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Cheers for the new thread!

Thank you.

I really hope that Archie can finally be at peace tomorrow. I hope that the staff are treated with kindness and respect too.

Out of interest, will there still be an inquest into his death?

I don’t think there’s any need for change in laws, medical protocols or reporting or anything. The pathology here is with Hollie. This protracted circus is because of her, nothing could have stopped it

Yes there will be an inquest.

I doubt treatment will be withdrawn tomorrow if the family appeal to the ECHR.

That is likely to take days and potentially over a week.

I think that's unfair.

Without the legal funding and "support" from the CLC and donations (who have their own agenda) I doubt the family would have had the means to bring these legal challenges.

That, also to be fair is an issue insofar access to legal rights should not be dependent on your means.

Due process and transparency is vital in these cases.

I assume he's now a private patient and his family are footing the bill. If hes still in an nhs hospital i seriously hope nobody who's actually still alive needs the bed and dies because of this

I think her actions of the last few days show how highly atypical her response is.

The CLC wouldn’t have had a look in with most families, Hollie was ripe for their picking

I know we can't discuss it here but I do feel the background picture explains a lot of the behaviour we are witnessing. Although I think she is now being driven by the LC, this is clearly someone with a long history of going to extraordinary lengths to garner media attention and who has proven not to be afraid of using their children to achieve that. It almost seems like an attention disorder where even negative attention will do.

I’m heartbroken for Hollie. No parent deserves to go through this, but some of her statements have been, just, wow i.e. saying that the doctors were carrying out an “execution” of Archie, and that they “haven’t given us enough time.” Good lord It’s been since 7 April, and Archie was pronounced dead on 31 May. Hollie has also said that no family should be treated so badly. From what I can see, they’ve been treated with compassion and kindness and respect.
I read yesterday that the “Christian” group that is representing them also represented several other families and sued a similar victim’s doctors for murder. They don’t sound very “Christian.”
While it’s difficult to put myself in their position, I’d like to think I’d listen to my son’s doctors and not put my son through four months of this only to wind up at the inevitable end.
It’s just shitty all the way around, but it’s the bad-mouthing of the medical professionals that troubles me. They don’t have to like the news but that’s no reason to shoot the messenger.
Rest in Peace, sweet Archie.💔

I'm fact I fully expect when this latest appeal fails, she will continue to frustrate and stall the process at every available moment because this is such an ingrained trait she can't stop it. I foresee the last moments in the room not including her to prevent any further interference in the process.

Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t know we weren’t allowed to discuss it.

I just feel a bit like how can she ever use the NHS again? No GP would want to see her, consultants etc because what if they get accused of something?
And if I had said about murder and execution I would be mortified to have to go into a doctors surgery for something and have them know who I was

Surely they can’t keep her away? I read this morning the family wanting him moved to hospice and saying there were several security guards posted outside his room.
Could they get involved?

Hollie wants more time, but not actually to spend it with Archie.

Again I think that's unfair.

Recent interviews have been conducted outside the hospital.

I appreciate this situation garners some strong views but speculation about the family isn't helpful, nor is any "insight" into the backstory.

The family have the right to make the legal challenges they have made and it's appropriate they are allowed to do so.

It's vital that there is transparency in such cases precisely because it contradicts the rhetoric of social media zealots and that of a family who have (for whatever reason) lost trust in the medical professionals and the justice system.

I am being unkind, but why take time away from your son to do any form of tv appearance/interview? Especially when, at that time, your impression was that there was literally only hours left.

Even if it was just a few minutes and remotely, it’s going to adversely affect mental preparedness for the upcoming withdrawal.

I was with my mum this afternoon, she's not on the internet and only watches MSM. I was talking about this case and she said well I'd do the same as I'm sure you would.

I pointed out Archie's real condition via court documents then I showed her the pics of Archie hollie herself puts out of Archie and she was mortified.

(In previous posts I've said about the decision we made for dad on life support)

She said I had no idea?! And completely changed her stance. She couldn't believe it's got this far. All she'd seen was Hollies interviews, her narrative and a few pics of mainly Archie before the incident, so in her mind that's who she was seeing lying in that bed.

Are you referring to me, @BreadInCaptivity? The comments I made weren’t “insight,” they were direct quotes and facts, along with a few of my feelings.
And taken cumulatively along with the Christian organization backing the family, it’s common sense to come to the realisation that there is some very strong disrespect against the medical community from both the family and the group representing them. “Execution?” What an abhorrent thing to accuse a medical institution of doing. Suing physicians for murder after they try valiantly to save your child? What? That’s the “Christian” thing to do?
I have enormous sympathy for the family. That doesn’t mean I personally have to approve of everything the mother says when she lashes out at people who have only tried to care for her son. They are the very last people with whom she should be angry.
I was under the mistaken impression that that’s why you started this thread.
I’ve already apologized once.

No I was not referring to you specifically. It was a general comment.

I just wish her to be at peace and know that from the doctors to the judges only wanted what was in his best interest. These decisions weren't taken lightly. The poor boy died weeks ago and I hope she gets help to come to terms with her loss and the fact that the poor boy actually died weeks ago.

Exactly. Others would have told the CLC to fuck off.

The hospital are fuelling this at this stage though.

They knew that the CLC would go to the ECHR. There could have been no doubt that they would. And yet they gave them a further 18 hours in which to do so.

As harsh as it may sound, as soon as they launched the appeal with the Supreme Court the hospital should have made it clear that the planned withdrawal would go ahead as soon as the appeal ruling came through. Instead they have told the CLC they can appeal some more.

They clearly have no intentions of removing the life support at this stage, hence why the question as to why they’re also continuing this.

The mother has said the life support is being withdrawn at 11am

She said that life support will be withdrawn

Battersbee: Mum says life support could end on Wednesday www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62389726 Unless an application is made to the ECHR by 9 AM

CLC have confirmed that an application is to be made. And while she said that their lawyers had not given them time to prepare, there is no way the lawyers haven’t prepared this application in advance, because they always knew this would happen.

Added to which, if they end up submitting an application later than 9:00 the hospital just won’t be able to ignore that and withdraw the life support anyway.