To support the no fly zone in Ukraine

[ThisIsGroundControl]

I get why we haven't but when the Ukrainian president begs for it I think about how I'd feel, if it was my country.
We are surely just delaying the inevitable, we are consoling ourselves that trucks full of supplies is enough when in reality we are showing weakness.

No, we can’t. As bad as it is we will have to use other ways to help Ukraine. The entire world is working so carefully right now around the dangers of escalating things beyond a point where deaths are kept to a minimum.

We absolutely should be taking as many refugees as need to come though.

I agree

No I'm sorry.

If WW3 has to begin, it has to begin by the aggressor choosing it.

I'd wheel every single piece of military equipment possible up to the border for the Ukrainians to take, but a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian planes.

I don’t support this one bit. It will make this already terrible situation worse than we could imagine.

If The UK enforces a no fly zone they would have to patrol it and engage Russian fighter jets and bombers.
As soon as they do that, we're in WW3 and Nukes are on the table and very much in play.

I understand what it means, but we are not the aggressor, we haven't chosen this.

Ukraine is doing pretty well at this point and I have read commentary which says that at this point, Putin is as likely to be toppled as Zelenskyy is.

Putin is not going to go so easily into another county as he is bogged down and the world has turned on Russia.

The more time that can be bought, the more likely the Russian people will turn on him imo.

@ThisIsGroundControl

I understand what it means, but we are not the aggressor, we haven't chosen this.

We’re also not the ones who have been invaded.

@MaryAndHerNet

If The UK enforces a no fly zone they would have to patrol it and engage Russian fighter jets and bombers. As soon as they do that, we're in WW3 and Nukes are on the table and very much in play.

This. Then the thousands fleeing to safer places in Europe would have no safe place to flee too. The whole of Europe would be at war, it would be catastrophic and could end in the destruction of this world, and all the living things in it. It is terrible but Nato has to tread very carefully and not move towards an expansion of the war .

You do realise this was suggested during the Syrian war? And was discounted as would potentially cause WW3? If you fancy a literal fallout go for it

itsnotover Zelenskyy begged today for a no fly zone.

So it's not happening to us so all A OK?

There just can’t be a no fly zone it could cause ww3

The situation in Ukraine is heartbreaking and horrific but we just can’t risk ww3.

@Namechangedforgoodreason

You do realise this was suggested during the Syrian war? And was discounted as would potentially cause WW3? If you fancy a literal fallout go for it

And where is the line in the sand? Are we not just postponing the inevitable?

@TwentyTOoo

There just can’t be a no fly zone it could cause ww3

The situation in Ukraine is heartbreaking and horrific but we just can’t risk ww3.

If when a nato country is invaded do you suggest we ignore it?

@ThisIsGroundControl

itsnotover Zelenskyy begged today for a no fly zone.

So it's not happening to us so all A OK?

That’s not what I said and you know it. At the moment we’re a safe place for refugees.

We just can’t. It would mean putting troops in the air and be no better than putting them on the ground. It is heartbreaking, but it’s so important this doesn’t escalate, which is what would happen if we started shooting down Russian planes.

I suggest you read some articles by people who know about this stuff who have talked about exactly how things would be handled in the event of a NATO member being attacked.

There are ways times and means to prevent all out war. Why are you so war hungry?

He’s also not going to be invading a NATO country any time soon. He clearly bit off more than he can chew with this depraved misadventure.

Every war expert I've heard has been quite clear that this is to be avoided at all costs

What are your qualifications in this field, why are they all so wrong?

@ThisIsGroundControl

itsnotover Zelenskyy begged today for a no fly zone.

So it's not happening to us so all A OK?

I'm going to put it to you this way.

It's march.
By April, we could all he dead.
Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

Assured mutual destruction.

If the UK or The US or any other NATO country gets involved right now, the chances that we won't see April go through the roof... It's that simple.

@Namechangedforgoodreason

There are ways times and means to prevent all out war. Why are you so war hungry?

Is it war hungry to want to support a democratically elected president in our continent? We know the majority of world leaders support Ukraine and yet we leave them to their fate.

Oh come on! Do you want to die? And all your loved ones due to NATO/RUSSIA confrontation due to a nation that really should have dealt with this better. Lets be totally frank

I have to say I think if he invaded a NATO country there’s every chance that article 5 would be quickly forgotten and it would be a case of letting him do it to avoid a nuclear war, and again and again just hoping he gave up sadly.

Look at the agreement Ukraine had if they gave up their nuclear weapons ……

I agree with you op.

I understand the reasons given but I cannot shake the feeling we are cowards for not stepping up, and that not tackling dictators directly has never ended well.

There will be many posts disagreeing with me now but Putin has already breached our boundaries and he won’t stop without being stopped. I can only hope he does indeed run out of money.