Fran Lyon has left the country

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I have not posted on these threads before but have followed them. I am angry that OST has hounded Fran until she feels she can no longer make use of the support that MN offers. I sincerely hope that those in contact with her off threads can continue to offer her that support.

It seems pretty clear to me that OST has rather more involvement in this case than he/she has been admitting to.

Oh bloody hell OST thanks a bunch.

The last thing Fran needs now is the F**ng Spanish Inquisition on what is normally a very supportive & friendly parenting forum.

I am really over this & think whoever you are it is a gross abuse of your membership of MN to harangue ANY MN-er having a hard time let alone Fran.

I am usually quite a calm (if verbose!) poster but you have gone too far,& as others have suspected you obviously have an ulterior motive in this.

Fran, I don't blame you at all for not trusting the system in the UK. I had no problems with SS at all, yet found the whole experience of being pregnant, giving birth and the after care to be truly awful. I was seen by a never ending stream of incompetent and unpleasant people who gave me no end of useless and medically incorrect advice and orders. For example, after 40 hours of labor, followed by and emergency cs, I was yelled at (literally) by a midwife for not bringing liquid baby soap to wash my newborn with (I had instead brought a bar of non-perfumed hypoallergenic soap which is the only thing I can use on my own skin without getting rashes). Anyway...list goes on and on. You have made the right choice for you and most importantly for your daughter.

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Can't imagine anyone from SS would be so unprofessional. Maybe a journalist from the Daily Mail would though???

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fuck me, can this woman get no peace!

She's been hounded from her home, hounded from the country and now she's being hounded from mn. This has gone far enough. Leave her alone OST. Just stop it. I'm not sure what your agenda is, but I don't think anyone is interested in participating in your little vendetta.

Fran - still thinking of you and molly

I agree Squonk.

I wish somepeople would allow us who want to support Fran and Molly through a very difficult situation and stop hounding her.

Fran please come back and use us for support you.

and

Fran if you're reading this I will email you later. I'm so sorry you had this to deal with last night!

Don't think it is daily mail as they are running a piece in the Sunday about her this week.

I think (think) they are pretty supportive of her

Don't think it is daily mail as they are running a piece in the Sunday about her this week.

I think (think) they are pretty supportive of her

I'm pretty sure OST is not a journalist - line of questioning is all wrong in that context. (I am a journalist, btw.) More likely to be someone with some connection to the case who is hostile to Fran.

Hi Fran!

I know you said you'll take a break from posting, but just wanted to post this message in case you're still reading

I'm more of a lurker (have only posted on about 2 threads a long time ago ) but have been following your story in the news and now on here, and just wanted to add to the huge majority of other posters here in wishing you well for the future.

I think you've been incredibly strong and brave in this and I'm impressed that you really tried so hard to achieve a better solution in the UK. I know I'd have left sooner than you did and I understand the pressure of running out of time. It really sounds like you have a lot of the right support in your new mw and surroundings which is so important for any new mum-to-be.

If you are in Scandinavia, then (speaking as someone who was brought up in the UK and has given birth in Scandinavia) I really think you and Molly will be well looked after during the remaining pg, labour and onwards, as I have always felt the mw's and dr's here to be very calm and understanding, respectful and supportive in how difficult things can be (for anyone who is pg/has a baby). In fact, I'm expecting #2 in Feb and made a conscious decision to give birth here, despite dh wanting to move a few months ago (in light of a job offer). (By the way, I don't see you as 'in hiding' and I don't blame you one bit for waiting until you are ready to say where you are - actually, I think that the only accountability you have to anyone is to Molly and you've been more than fair answering the massive number of qu's put to you )

All the best and wishing you a safe and happy remaining pg/labour and beyond xxx

(and promise me you'll never feel guilty about taking days off to do 'nothing' - it's very important, especially at this stage in the pg )

Funny how both Posen & OST disappeared after vicious lines of questioning were challenged?

Still but refuse to get into a slanging match - let's rise above it ladies!!

(in best Joyce Grenfell voice)

We can keep posting our support for Fran for her to read as I'm sure she will lurk,& if she wants to come back & chat great & if not hopefully it will still be a way to cheer her up & let her know we are thinking of her.

Fran

Personally if I had been treated in the way you have I would NOT be letting anyone know my whereabouts. Yup, I would be in hiding. Completely. When you consider gross miscarriages of justice like Sally Clark, Angela Cannings etc and the destruction of the women and families involved I think wholehearted trust in the authorities is unwise. I'm not saying they don't do a good job at other times btw, just that no organisation is perfect and people get things wrong, very wrong.

It's no use SS saying sorry when they've taken your precious newborn. AND let's remember that the SS workers who are involved in this go home at night to their families and their children and leave Fran's situation on the desk. Of course SW's sometimes get v involved and are effected by cases, but ultimately it is their job at stake, not their lives. Fran however has to live through this 24/7.

So, Fran, do not feel pressured in any way to reveal anything on here or elsewhere that you don't think you should. Caution is a good thing for you right now. The next few weeks and months are high-pressure enough without more complications.

I'm sorry that you are being hounded on here. A public internet forum where posters don't reveal their true name and identity is the last place you should be asked (demanded) to disclose stuff.

Unbelieveable yet another "strange" poster.

I am sorry but it seems this person has alot of information & is probably writing things that should not be shared across an internet forum.

I also believe the person OST is scottish by one of there words they used.....

I so wish people would just give this lady a break ffs please just let her have her baby in peace & stop questioning her like your are a police officer, Fran has answered as straight as she possibly can under her circumstances but it seems 1 or 2 posters always want more.

Fran it looks like some people really are out to ruin you, there whole attictude stinks.

I hope your ok? I think maybe you should come to talk on these boards & not go into any more details, some of us just want to talk to you, help you in anyway we can, sending hugs to you & Molly

I think Oldstraighttrack's behaviour, posting unsubstantiated slurs while refusing to answer any questions about her own interest in the case, is basically trolling.

If you are not familiar with what that means, Oldstraighttrack, here is Mumsnet's policy on trolls.

If you were a little more open about who you were and why you are pursuing Fran in this manner I would be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.

As it is, your behaviour appears purely malicious.

Sandy - absolutely. When someone is about to have a baby they instinctively want to go to a safe place to do it - that's why cats like to have kittens in airing cupboards . All the more so if you have a reason to feel threatened.
The idea that going somewhere safe is somehow indicative of guilt about something is just bizarre.

Why doesn't someone start a support thread for Fran, for just that, no difficult questions, no scepticism, just friendly mn style support and chat. This thread isn't a support thread. Surely it would be ok for her to come on and talk being pg, being a mum sort of stuff.

fran - i agree with fiofio - i think you may be putting yourself at risk posting so openly on mumsnet. although it feels private, its not.

i would urge you to stop posting under your real name and stop answering any questions.

I know you feel you are safe as you now reside abroad but you should not take any risks as you dont know things will change in the future

please please change your posting name to something anonymous and go on posting here, as just another mum about to have her first baby. Don't post anything identifying, and if necessary change any details to ensure you maintain your privacy. There is a very good search function on mumsnet and if you post enough details on different threads its easy to match them up IYSWIM

There are many many mumsnetters who are very supportive of you and we would hate for harm to come to you or molly through mumsnet

I'm sorry about the harassment you have faced here, Fran.

I think we have seen a taste of the kinds of attitudes and people you are up against. Neither Posen nor OST have made social services look better, in fact they have damaged them even further if that was possible. Hounding and attacking a woman like this is beyond the pale.

I agree with everybody who has said to protect your privacy. You don't need to be open in the way these people who don't have your best interests at heart demand.

i thought OST had said in a previous thread that he/she was an SW. I may be wrong tho.

Have started a new support thread like suggestedhere in pregnancy

Think it is best for chatting/ support etc, this one has turned a bit nasty now.

Fran we hope you will join us over there for chat/support & help through your coming months.

Nice one Scooby!